I think it's important to remember that Harley riders aren't really worried about horsepower as much as they are decibel level. They want whatever will wake as many people up after they get done with their nightly whack off session with all the other Harley bros.

Then you look at ducati, same displacement, V architecture and yet 200hp.

In summary: Because Harley's design philosophy has not been updated in nearly a century. I figured that would be the case before watching this video, and indeed no surprise. I can understand it actually, people are out there for nostalgia, not for performance. Their idea of a good time isn't defined by how fast it goes. Problem with this though is that those people will die, or at least quit motorcycling, soon, many already have. Their target audience is old farts, and their nostalgia will have far less appeal to younger generations. They've tried to update their product line, but anyone interested in such things isn't interested in a Harley. Hence I wouldn't be surprised if Harley's days are just as numbered as their target audience's.

I don’t care about horsepower all I care about is the merch and stickers

It's like comparing iPhone to Android

Here is where I belive Harley went wrong with their try on a modern engine: 1: To expensive and over engineered. 2: Way to proud that the Revolution engine was "co-developed" with Porsche. 3: Aimed at the wrong audience.

I have a 2017 Yamaha R3, fun as hell to ride but by no means is a speed demon. The bike is a stock 321cc, and I gapped a 2012 96ci Harley (almost 5x the displacement) from a dig and from a roll. I am 100% a made in USA guy, but I will NEVER own a Harley Davidson.

You mean the victory octane motor not indian. They only rebadged it.

I thought Indian was made in India lol

You reinvent the LTpost presentation.

make a bigger scout if they made a 116ci version more suitable for touring or camute ide be all over it

this was filmed in vancouver?

Wait - only "2 extra penises per cylinder"? Where do I ditch this girly-man ride before my outlaw friends find out? 4:50 .

Dude! What a cinematic piece of art! Thank you very much! 10/10

Give up pistons, embrace gas turbine

this vid had some much going on with the slowing down and speeding up going forward then reverse lol

Yup, I bought a Scout not a Harley. No contest.

Pistonhead ? Really ?

Even the Indian is gutless . 83 hp ? Pfffft .

i wanna have this guys baby. im a guy but i think we can figure it out.

The vrod was great, it's customer base was just dumb and HD didn't fully commit to the move since vrod was only 1 flagship model that nobody could afford similar to modern harley junk.

I want motorcycle, but have money enough for Chinese 50cc scooter. Should I buy one??

Lmfao if anybody knows about going broke .. gotta hand it to indian .. they been dead for many years .. wonder why?

This made me go buy one

Damn that video is a masterpiece

This is like Old Top Gear but for Motorcycles

Everyone from India clicks on the video thinking its something to do with their country. I call click bait.

After 35yrs of being over the tank I was given a Victory Octane for a weekend. "We just want your opinion, Paul". Around 30 of us went a couple of hundred miles up the coast for the weekend. From the shop we rode 20kms to the meet point, my wife took 1 look at my smile and knew we were buying a new bike. Mine came out of the crate the day Polaris made the announcement.

As a Victory Octane owner thank you!

You want things to improve but you dont want them to change. You're all puppets tangled in...strings..

I did some research I'm pretty sure they're More powerful because those are wild Indian horse's!

58HP????? . my 1974 honda CB 360cc makes like 35hp......

I'm neither a motorcyclist nor could I possibly afford to be one in these trying times, but if I were to get into this whole world of combustion-powered two-wheelers, I would very much like me a used Yamaha Virago with carburetors and points ignition.

I don't know why no one ask Harley if they can make a bike with 43% more horsepower

I don't think the V-Rod failed because of its modernized engine. It failed because they decided to make the entire bike a 2 wheeled expression of the "how do you do fellow kids?" meme. The Indian bike is what the V-Rod project should have been.

Please please please please please don't put content like this behind a paywall

When are you going to do a comparison of Harley vs Ducatti's V-twin? They're still alive because of their valve train.

I would ride a Honda before indian just because ... Lol people ride Harley because they like them ... Simple as that ... If you want to go fast ride Honda..

awesome video

I don’t think the engine is why v-rods flopped. It’s goofy looking. I like the looks of the XR, but it’s heavier than it should be. Anyone remember buell? Bring back buell and put a vrod engine in that.

Fantastic composition...really enjoyable video.

Harley Davidson: For those who hate performance, reliability and handling

I didn't like the v-rod style or sitting position or price point, And that's why I didn't get one. I got a sportster. But I regretted the hard seat.

How is the Scout with a rider that's tall and heavy? Sounds like it has the power but does it Carry the weight? I'm currently riding a road King and have had it about 5 years. Love the bike, handles great for me. I can through it around as good or better than any bike I've ever ridden.the power is ok but sure you can never have enough power. I think if i was going to buy another bike I'd rather do up the one i already have. 15 or 20 grand on my engine and clutch and i would be very happy

Everyone needs to watch this twice... once for the subject matter, and again to wallow in the production standards. Taking in both at once is too much for my tiny brain.

Why dont harley do like the suzuki bandit oil cooled, so looks like air cooled but revs to ~14k as it has pressureized oil cooling spays the back of pistons and cams etc with oil from jets, they could even replace the push rod pipes with pipes for the oil coolign as needs big volusme of oil..

INDIAN - smokin harleys since 1901. Says the commercial on my door. ;-)

That's why a Moto Morini or Aprilia makes 150 +Hps! Indian is not the perfect example.

brilliant analysis

the only motorcycle in the world that can convert petrol into noise without the byproduct of power

Indian bike is made in India 🇮🇳 ?

Buenísima edición i

Brilliant! Bravo sir!

Being a Supersport guy, after riding both the Chief Dark Horse and the Scout Sixty Bobber, Indians are the first serious cruisers I've ever considered.

Oh the sun shines bright on my old Vancouver home..

Dang brother! Well done. Really, quite good!

This is a very enlightening video. I'd never understood Harleys. They might be trying to sell old fashioned motorbikes, but I couldn't understand why they had never used modern improvements. Why all of their bikes just seem so terrible on paper. I never considered that some of these seemingly inconsequential differences like oil is precisely what made the performance. I had certainly never considered that Harley might have tried a modern bike and completely failed. I still can't understand why people want a Harley, mind. I would pay any price of inconvenience to keep my ZX6R and Harleys seem the complete opposite with just as much inconvenience. But at least I understand why Harleys aren't good on paper, and now assume that they have actually made progress at least where they are free to improve. Though I would still argue that if you're looking for progress on all fronts then a sports bike is what you're looking at, and that market is certainly booming.

he is funny ha ha.

oddly, the indian in its current form appears to look far more iconic than the harley

I ride a Harley sporty. I personally ride it for the nostalgia. If I needed high rpm short stroke hp id go for a street/sport bike. But it's just my personal preference. My buddy Just bought a scout bobber and it's a great bike. Well balanced and fun to ride although I didn't get that feeling of taming an angry bull when i was on it as the power delivery is much more smoother. Either way I love this video as its production quality is simply unbelievable 👌❤

♥♡ B.C.Bud ♡♥

I'll keep my air cooling fins and twin pushrods you can ride that other ugly piece of s***

Which are the exact models of the bikes, please specify

Do the pan America

I know of more than a few folks jumping ship from many manufacturers over to Indian. They have a very well thought out product in my mind and market much better than HD. The engineering looks better too...

My 250cc two strokes almost make as much power 😄

Dah, Harley is about image, looks and lifestyle, not functionality.

cool video man

Harley lost respect and power when they started selling clothing at Walmart...

That was brilliant.

No news for me but a brilliant video presented in a very pleasing way!

❤👀

Just a cracking video .

Every motorcycle is unique. There is no better or worse it depends on your taste.

Very very very much greatest engineer 👨‍🔧 proud of you🙏🙏🙏 sir

The problem with current Indian models is they are too much like Japanese plastic fantastic, I`d happily have a vintage one but not a modern one.

It feels like cheating being able to watch a video of this quality for free on LTpost. Hands down the best motorcycling channel out there (anyone who disagrees can fight me!). Kudos to Ryan and the team behind these videos, especially to Aneesh Shivanekar for the impressive shots and edits.

Can i buy this is india?

I'd take the Scout every day of the year. It's a gorgeous bike.

Probably one of the best Fortnine videos ever made

Orrrrr..... You could buy an inline 4 cylinder Japanese bike that makes twice that power. And is safer. And more comfortable. And cheaper. You do you though.

Another point with the undersquare and oversquare thing. A small bore and a long stroke leads to a small combustion chamber, which means small valves. Small valves support great intake velocity which is good at filling the cylinder and atomizing fuel at low revs, whereas large valve area is needed to support the sheer bulk flow of high RPM running. A Harley can mechanically get away with revving quite a bit higher than they do, but it won't take too long for the small-bore 2-valve head to simply run out of breath. But really, the bore/stroke ratio thing is a big overblown anyway. Most people who talk about this stuff might be quite surprised to find out that most of the big slow-thunder muscle car engines had big bores and short strokes, whereas some of the highest-revving car engines have comparatively long strokes. For example, the 9,000rpm VTEC-kicking king of rev, the Honda B18C out of the Integra Type R, is actually undersquare and has a stroke just 1.7mm shorter than a 350 Chevy. Turns out, it doesn't really matter all that much until you REALLY start revving to the absolute moon, which is precisely what most modern motorcycles (but almost no cars ever) do.

Man , this channel is pure gold

Fantastic!

This makes me angry... not that you have mathematically proven that Harley is pushing an inferior engine, but that you draw circles so easily and flawlessly

OK , Smarty Pants

Man! You have some beautiful riding county! No matter what bike you're on.

Sounds like a bike for a pink GIRL

This video is award winning quality 👏

Absolutely love these videos Especially the abbreviated lessons of physics and thermodynamics

But it's not a Harley ! Will the so-called Indian Co. still be around in ten tears ? I will bet Harley will , Look what happened to Victory , A surperior motorcycle to both the Harley and Indian .

Wouldn’t that be a metric?

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What about the XR 1200 with its stock 90hp? That's more power than an Scout 1200 from the factory

Who actually needs this extra power though? I'd rather have a better looking bike, especially since it still goes as fast as I need

Thank you. Very helpful.

Hands down the Victory was a better bike than HD or Indian. But it was not a fashion statement so it died

Harley Davidson is an emotion ❤️

My opinion is, true Indian Motorcycles was canceled in 1954. Name of Indian Motorcycles lives under British Royal-Enfield, befor British trade mark comes out from business. Indian coming in 2011 under Polaris...And my opinion is, new truly Indian is model Chief,Big Chief And Chief Vintage. FTR or Scout, Challenger for me isnt true Indian Motorcycles. I think if you want only relax traveling and cruising on your Motorcycle, you dont need more horse power. Big Inch engines with small horse power is my favorite engine's

Better than my science teacher 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥