How Indian Makes 43% More Power than Harley-Davidson

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Metallurgy? Keto diet? Liquid cooling? Red Bull? What’s the secret behind Indian's huge power advantage over Harley-Davidson?
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Long D. Johnson
Long D. Johnson Prieš 7 val
I think it's important to remember that Harley riders aren't really worried about horsepower as much as they are decibel level. They want whatever will wake as many people up after they get done with their nightly whack off session with all the other Harley bros.
VxNemesis
VxNemesis Prieš 20 val
Then you look at ducati, same displacement, V architecture and yet 200hp.
Quill Maurer
Quill Maurer Prieš 20 val
In summary: Because Harley's design philosophy has not been updated in nearly a century. I figured that would be the case before watching this video, and indeed no surprise. I can understand it actually, people are out there for nostalgia, not for performance. Their idea of a good time isn't defined by how fast it goes. Problem with this though is that those people will die, or at least quit motorcycling, soon, many already have. Their target audience is old farts, and their nostalgia will have far less appeal to younger generations. They've tried to update their product line, but anyone interested in such things isn't interested in a Harley. Hence I wouldn't be surprised if Harley's days are just as numbered as their target audience's.
Samuel F
Samuel F Prieš dieną
I don’t care about horsepower all I care about is the merch and stickers
Abdel Widaw
Abdel Widaw Prieš dieną
It's like comparing iPhone to Android
BoooB
BoooB Prieš dieną
Here is where I belive Harley went wrong with their try on a modern engine: 1: To expensive and over engineered. 2: Way to proud that the Revolution engine was "co-developed" with Porsche. 3: Aimed at the wrong audience.
Jerrid Coats
Jerrid Coats Prieš 2 dienas
I have a 2017 Yamaha R3, fun as hell to ride but by no means is a speed demon. The bike is a stock 321cc, and I gapped a 2012 96ci Harley (almost 5x the displacement) from a dig and from a roll. I am 100% a made in USA guy, but I will NEVER own a Harley Davidson.
C S
C S Prieš 2 dienas
You mean the victory octane motor not indian. They only rebadged it.
Kishore S
Kishore S Prieš 2 dienas
I thought Indian was made in India lol
Condor Iris
Condor Iris Prieš 3 dienas
You reinvent the LTpost presentation.
Abram Castillo
Abram Castillo Prieš 3 dienas
make a bigger scout if they made a 116ci version more suitable for touring or camute ide be all over it
Victor Bow
Victor Bow Prieš 3 dienas
this was filmed in vancouver?
Arc Anon Drum
Arc Anon Drum Prieš 3 dienas
Wait - only "2 extra penises per cylinder"? Where do I ditch this girly-man ride before my outlaw friends find out? 4:50 .
PhraezlxNinja
PhraezlxNinja Prieš 3 dienas
Dude! What a cinematic piece of art! Thank you very much! 10/10
личная правда
личная правда Prieš 3 dienas
Give up pistons, embrace gas turbine
Tyler Jenkins
Tyler Jenkins Prieš 4 dienas
this vid had some much going on with the slowing down and speeding up going forward then reverse lol
Mike McCormick
Mike McCormick Prieš 4 dienas
Yup, I bought a Scout not a Harley. No contest.
Schmovid 84
Schmovid 84 Prieš 4 dienas
Pistonhead ? Really ?
Schmovid 84
Schmovid 84 Prieš 4 dienas
Even the Indian is gutless . 83 hp ? Pfffft .
CheapoBrand FruitPunch
CheapoBrand FruitPunch Prieš 4 dienas
i wanna have this guys baby. im a guy but i think we can figure it out.
William Su
William Su Prieš 4 dienas
The vrod was great, it's customer base was just dumb and HD didn't fully commit to the move since vrod was only 1 flagship model that nobody could afford similar to modern harley junk.
Sergey Kopylov
Sergey Kopylov Prieš 5 dienų
I want motorcycle, but have money enough for Chinese 50cc scooter. Should I buy one??
James Gibson
James Gibson Prieš 5 dienų
Lmfao if anybody knows about going broke .. gotta hand it to indian .. they been dead for many years .. wonder why?
Manas Pradhan
Manas Pradhan Prieš 4 dienas
Harley has known being broke for more than 4 decades, they have been living on taxpayer money all along lmao.
Jon Ruger
Jon Ruger Prieš 5 dienų
This made me go buy one
LemurDerivat38
LemurDerivat38 Prieš 5 dienų
Damn that video is a masterpiece
Daniel Ordonez
Daniel Ordonez Prieš 5 dienų
This is like Old Top Gear but for Motorcycles
Blood Seeker
Blood Seeker Prieš 5 dienų
Everyone from India clicks on the video thinking its something to do with their country. I call click bait.
Mad Dog Adventures
Mad Dog Adventures Prieš 5 dienų
After 35yrs of being over the tank I was given a Victory Octane for a weekend. "We just want your opinion, Paul". Around 30 of us went a couple of hundred miles up the coast for the weekend. From the shop we rode 20kms to the meet point, my wife took 1 look at my smile and knew we were buying a new bike. Mine came out of the crate the day Polaris made the announcement.
Khoa Tran
Khoa Tran Prieš 5 dienų
As a Victory Octane owner thank you!
Justin Sampler
Justin Sampler Prieš 5 dienų
You want things to improve but you dont want them to change. You're all puppets tangled in...strings..
Snowman Rainmaker
Snowman Rainmaker Prieš 5 dienų
I did some research I'm pretty sure they're More powerful because those are wild Indian horse's!
kain hall
kain hall Prieš 5 dienų
58HP????? . my 1974 honda CB 360cc makes like 35hp......
Shady Janzeir
Shady Janzeir Prieš 5 dienų
I'm neither a motorcyclist nor could I possibly afford to be one in these trying times, but if I were to get into this whole world of combustion-powered two-wheelers, I would very much like me a used Yamaha Virago with carburetors and points ignition.
Arief Budi
Arief Budi Prieš 6 dienų
I don't know why no one ask Harley if they can make a bike with 43% more horsepower
Canuckrz
Canuckrz Prieš 6 dienų
I don't think the V-Rod failed because of its modernized engine. It failed because they decided to make the entire bike a 2 wheeled expression of the "how do you do fellow kids?" meme. The Indian bike is what the V-Rod project should have been.
Fahim Mosharrof Ratul
Fahim Mosharrof Ratul Prieš 6 dienų
Please please please please please don't put content like this behind a paywall
horseman1968
horseman1968 Prieš 6 dienų
When are you going to do a comparison of Harley vs Ducatti's V-twin? They're still alive because of their valve train.
James Gibson
James Gibson Prieš 6 dienų
I would ride a Honda before indian just because ... Lol people ride Harley because they like them ... Simple as that ... If you want to go fast ride Honda..
J M
J M Prieš 6 dienų
awesome video
Scott_T
Scott_T Prieš 6 dienų
I don’t think the engine is why v-rods flopped. It’s goofy looking. I like the looks of the XR, but it’s heavier than it should be. Anyone remember buell? Bring back buell and put a vrod engine in that.
Manas Pradhan
Manas Pradhan Prieš 4 dienas
Goofy looking? Atleast it doesn't like it's trying to appeal to 60 year 'free spirits' with broken hips
Robert Swyers
Robert Swyers Prieš 6 dienų
Fantastic composition...really enjoyable video.
Gimzo Guy
Gimzo Guy Prieš 6 dienų
Harley Davidson: For those who hate performance, reliability and handling
ser whit
ser whit Prieš 6 dienų
I didn't like the v-rod style or sitting position or price point, And that's why I didn't get one. I got a sportster. But I regretted the hard seat.
Fred GFY Smith
Fred GFY Smith Prieš 6 dienų
How is the Scout with a rider that's tall and heavy? Sounds like it has the power but does it Carry the weight? I'm currently riding a road King and have had it about 5 years. Love the bike, handles great for me. I can through it around as good or better than any bike I've ever ridden.the power is ok but sure you can never have enough power. I think if i was going to buy another bike I'd rather do up the one i already have. 15 or 20 grand on my engine and clutch and i would be very happy
Glynn Griffin
Glynn Griffin Prieš 6 dienų
Everyone needs to watch this twice... once for the subject matter, and again to wallow in the production standards. Taking in both at once is too much for my tiny brain.
gordon graham
gordon graham Prieš 7 dienų
Why dont harley do like the suzuki bandit oil cooled, so looks like air cooled but revs to ~14k as it has pressureized oil cooling spays the back of pistons and cams etc with oil from jets, they could even replace the push rod pipes with pipes for the oil coolign as needs big volusme of oil..
Manuel Greiling
Manuel Greiling Prieš 7 dienų
INDIAN - smokin harleys since 1901. Says the commercial on my door. ;-)
R Olsson
R Olsson Prieš 7 dienų
That's why a Moto Morini or Aprilia makes 150 +Hps! Indian is not the perfect example.
sdavrider
sdavrider Prieš 7 dienų
brilliant analysis
Andrew Mack
Andrew Mack Prieš 7 dienų
the only motorcycle in the world that can convert petrol into noise without the byproduct of power
Dharma E
Dharma E Prieš 8 dienų
Indian bike is made in India 🇮🇳 ?
Javier Soler
Javier Soler Prieš 8 dienų
Buenísima edición i
Hurley Wilson
Hurley Wilson Prieš 8 dienų
Brilliant! Bravo sir!
N75911
N75911 Prieš 9 dienų
Being a Supersport guy, after riding both the Chief Dark Horse and the Scout Sixty Bobber, Indians are the first serious cruisers I've ever considered.
Bear Buster
Bear Buster Prieš 9 dienų
Oh the sun shines bright on my old Vancouver home..
Eric Derderian
Eric Derderian Prieš 9 dienų
Dang brother! Well done. Really, quite good!
Olivia Lambert
Olivia Lambert Prieš 10 dienų
This is a very enlightening video. I'd never understood Harleys. They might be trying to sell old fashioned motorbikes, but I couldn't understand why they had never used modern improvements. Why all of their bikes just seem so terrible on paper. I never considered that some of these seemingly inconsequential differences like oil is precisely what made the performance. I had certainly never considered that Harley might have tried a modern bike and completely failed. I still can't understand why people want a Harley, mind. I would pay any price of inconvenience to keep my ZX6R and Harleys seem the complete opposite with just as much inconvenience. But at least I understand why Harleys aren't good on paper, and now assume that they have actually made progress at least where they are free to improve. Though I would still argue that if you're looking for progress on all fronts then a sports bike is what you're looking at, and that market is certainly booming.
dennis king
dennis king Prieš 10 dienų
he is funny ha ha.
ivan schafeldt
ivan schafeldt Prieš 10 dienų
oddly, the indian in its current form appears to look far more iconic than the harley
Chiran Kulasena
Chiran Kulasena Prieš 10 dienų
I ride a Harley sporty. I personally ride it for the nostalgia. If I needed high rpm short stroke hp id go for a street/sport bike. But it's just my personal preference. My buddy Just bought a scout bobber and it's a great bike. Well balanced and fun to ride although I didn't get that feeling of taming an angry bull when i was on it as the power delivery is much more smoother. Either way I love this video as its production quality is simply unbelievable 👌❤
Robert Fapswell
Robert Fapswell Prieš 11 dienų
♥♡ B.C.Bud ♡♥
Backwoods Charlie
Backwoods Charlie Prieš 11 dienų
I'll keep my air cooling fins and twin pushrods you can ride that other ugly piece of s***
ABHIJITH M.R.
ABHIJITH M.R. Prieš 12 dienų
Which are the exact models of the bikes, please specify
Jordan stalheim
Jordan stalheim Prieš 12 dienų
Do the pan America
Michael Wright
Michael Wright Prieš 12 dienų
I know of more than a few folks jumping ship from many manufacturers over to Indian. They have a very well thought out product in my mind and market much better than HD. The engineering looks better too...
davegreenbitch
davegreenbitch Prieš 12 dienų
My 250cc two strokes almost make as much power 😄
Richard R
Richard R Prieš 12 dienų
Dah, Harley is about image, looks and lifestyle, not functionality.
zungaloca
zungaloca Prieš 13 dienų
cool video man
rdizzo1313
rdizzo1313 Prieš 13 dienų
Harley lost respect and power when they started selling clothing at Walmart...
Rich Brett
Rich Brett Prieš 14 dienų
That was brilliant.
Christian Bagge
Christian Bagge Prieš 14 dienų
No news for me but a brilliant video presented in a very pleasing way!
Yadhu Sanil
Yadhu Sanil Prieš 14 dienų
❤👀
Eddie J
Eddie J Prieš 15 dienų
Just a cracking video .
Mikael Gaspar
Mikael Gaspar Prieš 15 dienų
Every motorcycle is unique. There is no better or worse it depends on your taste.
MANAVLOK SINGH
MANAVLOK SINGH Prieš 16 dienų
Very very very much greatest engineer 👨‍🔧 proud of you🙏🙏🙏 sir
S Point
S Point Prieš 16 dienų
The problem with current Indian models is they are too much like Japanese plastic fantastic, I`d happily have a vintage one but not a modern one.
MotoBian
MotoBian Prieš 16 dienų
It feels like cheating being able to watch a video of this quality for free on LTpost. Hands down the best motorcycling channel out there (anyone who disagrees can fight me!). Kudos to Ryan and the team behind these videos, especially to Aneesh Shivanekar for the impressive shots and edits.
ShinzO Gaming
ShinzO Gaming Prieš 16 dienų
Can i buy this is india?
Adam Osborne
Adam Osborne Prieš 16 dienų
I'd take the Scout every day of the year. It's a gorgeous bike.
tew tadle
tew tadle Prieš 17 dienų
Probably one of the best Fortnine videos ever made
Zero Point
Zero Point Prieš 17 dienų
Orrrrr..... You could buy an inline 4 cylinder Japanese bike that makes twice that power. And is safer. And more comfortable. And cheaper. You do you though.
JETZcorp
JETZcorp Prieš 17 dienų
Another point with the undersquare and oversquare thing. A small bore and a long stroke leads to a small combustion chamber, which means small valves. Small valves support great intake velocity which is good at filling the cylinder and atomizing fuel at low revs, whereas large valve area is needed to support the sheer bulk flow of high RPM running. A Harley can mechanically get away with revving quite a bit higher than they do, but it won't take too long for the small-bore 2-valve head to simply run out of breath. But really, the bore/stroke ratio thing is a big overblown anyway. Most people who talk about this stuff might be quite surprised to find out that most of the big slow-thunder muscle car engines had big bores and short strokes, whereas some of the highest-revving car engines have comparatively long strokes. For example, the 9,000rpm VTEC-kicking king of rev, the Honda B18C out of the Integra Type R, is actually undersquare and has a stroke just 1.7mm shorter than a 350 Chevy. Turns out, it doesn't really matter all that much until you REALLY start revving to the absolute moon, which is precisely what most modern motorcycles (but almost no cars ever) do.
Stefan Condurat
Stefan Condurat Prieš 17 dienų
Man , this channel is pure gold
bob rowley
bob rowley Prieš 18 dienų
Fantastic!
Brooxs Weatherly
Brooxs Weatherly Prieš 19 dienų
This makes me angry... not that you have mathematically proven that Harley is pushing an inferior engine, but that you draw circles so easily and flawlessly
bob clapper
bob clapper Prieš 19 dienų
OK , Smarty Pants
p
p Prieš 19 dienų
Man! You have some beautiful riding county! No matter what bike you're on.
OneWayStudio100 PhotoVideo
OneWayStudio100 PhotoVideo Prieš 19 dienų
Sounds like a bike for a pink GIRL
William Fischer
William Fischer Prieš 19 dienų
This video is award winning quality 👏
Alohagrit
Alohagrit Prieš 19 dienų
Absolutely love these videos Especially the abbreviated lessons of physics and thermodynamics
Brudford Miller
Brudford Miller Prieš 20 dienų
But it's not a Harley ! Will the so-called Indian Co. still be around in ten tears ? I will bet Harley will , Look what happened to Victory , A surperior motorcycle to both the Harley and Indian .
Yoso
Yoso Prieš 20 dienų
Wouldn’t that be a metric?
Lift Miss
Lift Miss Prieš 20 dienų
youtuber( keshia) Keshia et sa maman video Keshia et son papa vidéo She present origin Parent Beyoncé
João César Ayres
João César Ayres Prieš 20 dienų
What about the XR 1200 with its stock 90hp? That's more power than an Scout 1200 from the factory
Cary Paine
Cary Paine Prieš 20 dienų
Who actually needs this extra power though? I'd rather have a better looking bike, especially since it still goes as fast as I need
dry509
dry509 Prieš 20 dienų
Thank you. Very helpful.
Talasay
Talasay Prieš 21 dieną
Hands down the Victory was a better bike than HD or Indian. But it was not a fashion statement so it died
MY NIKON MEMORIES
MY NIKON MEMORIES Prieš 21 dieną
Harley Davidson is an emotion ❤️
Ladislav Lochman
Ladislav Lochman Prieš 21 dieną
My opinion is, true Indian Motorcycles was canceled in 1954. Name of Indian Motorcycles lives under British Royal-Enfield, befor British trade mark comes out from business. Indian coming in 2011 under Polaris...And my opinion is, new truly Indian is model Chief,Big Chief And Chief Vintage. FTR or Scout, Challenger for me isnt true Indian Motorcycles. I think if you want only relax traveling and cruising on your Motorcycle, you dont need more horse power. Big Inch engines with small horse power is my favorite engine's
Punisher 2020
Punisher 2020 Prieš 21 dieną
Better than my science teacher 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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