Which Motorcycle Manufacturer is Best? [Laboratory Test]

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In today’s episode of Pissing Off Motorcycle Manufacturers, we’ve decided to go ahead and lab test every big brand’s manufacturing hygiene under their very noses. The results might surprise you.

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Richard Tickler
Richard Tickler Prieš val
i feel sorry for the china bike dude. gets shit all day for his choice, sends his pretious oil in the proof the haters wrong only to get the haters proofen right
Richard Tickler
Richard Tickler Prieš val
isnt Ducati owned by VW? that would leave us with 3 german car manufacturers (Mercedes, Opel and Ford (the european style models are developed there)
Mark James
Mark James Prieš 5 val
Erm, I think I've found a flaw in this. It doesn't take into account the debris in the oil filter. I'm not saying the results still aren't right but I know a lot of Chinese engines have a fine metal gauze type oil filter. Playing devils advocate for a minute. What if Royal Enfield have an oil filter that filters out particles down to 5 microns and the others have varying degrees of less efficient filtration down to the Chinese engine where it basically will only catch the biggest debris. Surely whoever has the best filter will stand a better chance of having cleaner oil. Should the test have also analysed the contents of the filter if we are to judge engine machining quality? 🤔
MaLa
MaLa Prieš dieną
im still getting the 2021 aprilia tuono, its a superior bike
TheJWC56
TheJWC56 Prieš dieną
Tell this to Ducati at the MotoGP.... absolute nonsense and unscientific!
Xcelplus
Xcelplus Prieš 2 dienas
Why don't you do more oil analysis on the bikes? It's an easy way to establish which lubricants, oil filters, air filters, etc... work best? It's also a good way to diagnose a problem in an engine without stripping it down? A longitudinal test will show how the bike is performing over time? e.g. Here's an example of an oil analysis on a bike where halving wear results in a doubling of engine life: xcelplus.com.au/docs/Tests/DR650.pdf :-)
Deepak Srinivasan
Deepak Srinivasan Prieš 3 dienas
That’s RE🔥, owning a proud machine Continental GT650
Dustin Adkins
Dustin Adkins Prieš 3 dienas
Bonus points to this one for the "Accident at Jefferson High" reference. I must've seen that a hundred times in middle and high school growing up lol
klauszelm
klauszelm Prieš 3 dienas
When I look at your spreadsheet at 4:30 and assign the values 1 to 9 for the best and worst results of the contaminants from >5 to >100 micrometers, then add up the results I get 9 points for Yamaha which came 6th in the >5 micrometers and first in the >15, >50 and >100 micrometers. RE would be in second spot with 11 points, Kawasaki third with 14 points. BMW and Triumph share 4th place with 19 points followed by KTM in 5th place with also 19 points (but has some contaminants >200 micrometers). Then there's Suzuki, place 6 with 27 points, Honda with 28 points lands in place 7 while HD comes last with a proud 34 points in place 8. But on your blackboard at 4:39 the winner is RE, Yamaha comes in 4th place and the rest don't match my list, apart from HD coming in last. What did I miss?
Der Nicolas
Der Nicolas Prieš 4 dienas
Triumph can't be considered European or even british any more. :) And for some funny reasons the Aprilia Shiver got on place 8 of top long lasting motorbikes on a bike magazine test.. (long lasting in termes of an actual parts analysis after 50tkm). So perhaps the amount of parts in the oil is a pretty abstract thing regarding quality - Great video as always btw. :)
Nick
Nick Prieš 5 dienų
My 2020 RE650 is shining with pride (mirror polish baby!)
dry509
dry509 Prieš 5 dienų
Please advise oil test results for Indian Motorcycle? You reviewed the Ftr...?
S. Downs
S. Downs Prieš 5 dienų
Where does Indian stack up in this?
Don Barnard
Don Barnard Prieš 5 dienų
Let’s also take a second to put some perspective on the research and findings… The USA military set out once to make the finest rifle ever put in the hands of a common soldier. Everything was precision machined and well engineered to make an accurate firing rifle. Once it got into the hands of soldiers they found those precision clearances a hinderance because the rifle with jam with the slide a speck of dirt in it… many Vietnam era soldiers would comment that the rifle was only useful as a tent pole. Compared to the wildly inaccurate tolerances of the enemies AK 47’s, which could be buried in sand, buried in the mud under a grass hut, caked in mud dirt and rust, but when needed would still fire… it wasn’t accurate but it put enough lead in the air, to spray and pray and still hit your enemy… I didn’t have the range of the M-16, but could go through a tree trunk and still kill the guy hiding behind a tree… Somewhere between those two extremes is really where you need to be in most real world applications . High maintenance versus rugged reliability… A happy middle ground isn’t a bad place.
Michael Czajka
Michael Czajka Prieš 5 dienų
Basically it means changing the oil in your new motorcycle sooner rather than later is probably a good idea? Probably the same for a new car? ...especially if the oil looks a bit suspicious? Change early if the oil looks suspicious? Sounds more like good sense rather than paranoia and pessimism run wild? Thanks for presenting facts rather than opinions. We should run more tests. :-) P.S. N=1 is not a strong argument for a pattern of behaviour. I hope the manufacturers will sit up and pay attention? PPS. It's not expensive to run a full oil analysis on engines (not just a particle count)... so it's always surprising that so few of them are run.
Andrew L
Andrew L Prieš 6 dienų
awesome. makes you want to do your first oil change at 50 miles... next at 1000. just to dump the factory crap.
adam anthoni ford
adam anthoni ford Prieš 7 dienų
What are the engine sizes of each? Clutch disk material, factory oil. This really isnt the whole story
Liam
Liam Prieš 7 dienų
This is so cool! It would be great if he included Indian. I’m sure it falls somewhere around Harley lol. My guess is in between Harley and Suzuki. Indians are slightly better made
NavigatEric
NavigatEric Prieš 8 dienų
to be devils advocate for the chinese bikes: 10 years ago I bought a Bashan 'Xplode 250' for circa 1000 USD (17000 Rand). Marketed as 'Hawk' in North America. 30,000 km of riding through the Namib desert on crappiest gravel/sand 'roads' ever and no mechanical problems at all. 33 km/liter in town, 41 km/liter on the gravel roads and all I do is change the Castrol GTX 20w50 every 1000km. THAT is what the chinese deliver for 1000 USD?! To be fair, its the most bang for the buck I ever spent. caveats: a. its less comfortable than sitting on a cinder block b. plastic body parts are disintegrating c. it cruises at 60kmh. go faster? yes, but tomorrow you'll be adjusting the valves d. no chicks are impressed by it. e. I ordered a blue one but it showed up green. but hey...its Africa. 'Customer Service' is a town in Canada f. spare parts? no chance. But hypothetically, if this is what one gets for 1000 USD, what might one get if one paid the chinese 5000 USD for a bike?
NavigatEric
NavigatEric Prieš 8 dienų
the best Thinking(wo)mans* motorcycle videos on youtube. Thank you for your effort, F9 team. *all-inclusiveness observed. (hey I wonder if when itchy boots gets off her bike, shes watching F9 too?)
P J
P J Prieš 8 dienų
Ryan is the only channel I watch ads all the way through to make sure f9 keeps him and pays him
Jochen Stacker
Jochen Stacker Prieš 9 dienų
I lost my shit at 2:12
phenomen113
phenomen113 Prieš 9 dienų
Dude, don't make me feel bad for just buying a Ducati.
horseman1968
horseman1968 Prieš 10 dienų
Well , at least Ducati has their desmonic valve train. Perhaps if Harley had it they could keep up with the competition. I'd bet that's one of the reasons that they're moving production to South America. They don't realize how much that will affect their income I guess.
spasev
spasev Prieš 10 dienų
When did the Russians refused to play? As for cheating all countries have been caught cheating, Russia is not the exception.
Lost Koi
Lost Koi Prieš 12 dienų
I hope to see Royal Enfield growing beyond the stigmas of the past.
Jordan stalheim
Jordan stalheim Prieš 12 dienų
Do the pan America
dry509
dry509 Prieš 12 dienų
So after this what brand would you personally buy?
dry509
dry509 Prieš 12 dienų
With your oil test you have soured me On a lot of motorcycle brands! Yuck what a bummer.
Pablo Harding
Pablo Harding Prieš 13 dienų
I’m interested to know what bikes exactly you took from all these examples, as I thought Suzuki would be high up there with Honda
Kongebil J
Kongebil J Prieš 14 dienų
Only thing it really prove that some oil are bad and some are good.
luketrash
luketrash Prieš 15 dienų
I'm genuinely curious, do some manufacturers run break-in operations on their engines before they go into bikes? My Ducati Scrambler's first oil change looked like sparkly shampoo. The second oil change was completely normal looking. I'm happy to see how well the Enfield did in this video though.
jason petersen
jason petersen Prieš 15 dienų
Best you tuber ever. Period.
Raymond
Raymond Prieš 15 dienų
Last I heard the order for most reliable was: 1)Yamaha, 2)Honda/Suzuki, 3)Kawasaki, 4)Harley Davidson, 5)BMW...
Luke Pighetti
Luke Pighetti Prieš 15 dienų
SO YOU'VE CHOSEN DEATH
Ahmed Abdelazim
Ahmed Abdelazim Prieš 16 dienų
You didnt do indian motorcycles
Tall Guy
Tall Guy Prieš 16 dienų
What.....you didn't cover the world's most popular brand name....HERO?
Kiran Hembram
Kiran Hembram Prieš 4 dienas
They aren't sold in most countries and they sell below 200cc bikes only
Nathaniel Kidd
Nathaniel Kidd Prieš 18 dienų
Wonder where Indian falls in this.
Bentley Mobius
Bentley Mobius Prieš 18 dienų
They say one must be careful choosing a Japanese bike because if you get it you'll have it for life, like Herpes.
Karl Roberts
Karl Roberts Prieš 18 dienų
The writing for your channel is amazing. Constantly engaging. How you can turn any mundane subject into one more riveting, astounds me.
BigDaddy
BigDaddy Prieš 18 dienų
Me who just got his royal Enfield: I've seen enough, I'm satisfied
perpotercommentare
perpotercommentare Prieš 19 dienų
ciao dall'Italia XD
alejandro blanco
alejandro blanco Prieš 19 dienų
where we actually expecting quality from china? is cheap crap, not good at almost anything
Dave Weston
Dave Weston Prieš 20 dienų
This is a really good article. I mean, its this sort of thing that makes youtube worthwhile. I'm a materials scientist and have a passing interest in tribology. And motorbikes. I seem to own two extremes of quality: Royal Enfield Himalayan and a chinese 250.
duck9191
duck9191 Prieš 20 dienų
I'm betting the Chinese bike is the only one with out a oil filter.
M Dutchy
M Dutchy Prieš 20 dienų
I will never buy anything from India. 90 percent of scams against old women come from India and they do nothing about it. F India!
Sagar Sarker
Sagar Sarker Prieš 19 dienų
Okay Dutch rotten cheese fella
Vishnu Simba
Vishnu Simba Prieš 20 dienų
As a Royal Enfield motorcycle owner, I agree. My Thunderbird 350 has run >100,000 km without a single rebore or rebuild. Just did it a few months ago. :D
Matthew St. Onge
Matthew St. Onge Prieš 20 dienų
Thanks
dry509
dry509 Prieš 20 dienų
Excellent.
Antares
Antares Prieš 21 dieną
Well I guess there is a reason BMW's Advantec costs 20 bucks/litre lol
Alfredo Napoli
Alfredo Napoli Prieš 22 dienas
Did she or you take into account the difference between the oils? Ducati says they use a different oil for the breaking in period. Maybe Aprilia does as well...
Maximiliano Santacruz
Maximiliano Santacruz Prieš 24 dienas
i went to my kawi right after and gave her a good girl treat.
klauszelm
klauszelm Prieš 25 dienų
Hmmm... Yamaha and Kawasaki better than Honda?
Atheist On The Road
Atheist On The Road Prieš 25 dienų
This is probably FortNine's worst video. It's basic premise is completely backwards. Less particles in an initial oil drain is an indication that the engine is not broken in; not a sign of poor production methods. You also have to take the filter into account. It is literally designed to filter out those particles, so a better filter will give you fewer particles left in the oil. An engine with tighter engine tolerances will wear in faster producing more particles in the oil than one with looser tolerances. A much better time to test the oil would be the third oil change. That way you are using engines that are as they will be throughout their life.
Ashwin K . M
Ashwin K . M Prieš 25 dienų
World to China: Why do you make shit products that don't last long? It costs a lot of money to us. China: You really don't want to know how much it'll cost you if we make something that'll last more than a year. World: Try me! China: Hold my Bat
Sk. Nizam
Sk. Nizam Prieš 25 dienų
Owner of Royal Enfield Meteor 350!😁
John Nutting
John Nutting Prieš 26 dienų
All very entertaining but as you say the sample size is tiny. They're actually one offs. I'd expect a bit more rigour, and scientific process, before making any sweeping statements.
EnergYbomB
EnergYbomB Prieš 26 dienų
VW wanted to sell Ducati and the chinese was on of the interested. now i know why
Faezeh Mehrabzadeh
Faezeh Mehrabzadeh Prieš 26 dienų
so were those BMWs made in Germany or India? how about they yamahas? Japan or India?
Shamus-Luke Dirmeitis
Shamus-Luke Dirmeitis Prieš 26 dienų
So this complement comes in three parts. Your delivery of fact based evidence is amazing. The level of competency and eloquence is on par with the best in field of science infotainment. Furthermore the editing and script work is sublime. Last, and perhaps the most asinine, I love the ECCO Boots. I own the shoe version and immediately thought this is a man of comfort and reason.
Mr. Cap
Mr. Cap Prieš 26 dienų
This is funny refuse to play like Russia. Don't watch propaganda TV!! Who really refuse to play - we know if no I will tell you-USA.
Glen Holmgren
Glen Holmgren Prieš 26 dienų
Excellent! 👍😎🎯🙏
Dr Ali
Dr Ali Prieš 27 dienų
That's why RE popular in india .ONE TIME INVESTMENT 😂
fidel catsro
fidel catsro Prieš 27 dienų
Yin Xiang reply: We left it dirty so it can run in quickly and better by the time you have you 2nd and subsequent oil changes..
Homo Sapiens
Homo Sapiens Prieš 28 dienų
Oh...yeah... I hear glass ceilings shattering! Go RE🇮🇳
Naveen Prince
Naveen Prince Prieš 28 dienų
KTM brand is European but It's made in India just like RE
B360 Ü
B360 Ü Prieš 28 dienų
00:00the good stuff starts here
Keef
Keef Prieš 28 dienų
So where does this leave BMW’s 900xr? This engine is made for BMW in, er, ......China.
ShelBelSaphire
ShelBelSaphire Prieš 29 dienų
I have indeed said some paraphrased variation of every "that's what she said" mentioned in the video. Points for accuracy, Ryan.
Ragavan N
Ragavan N Prieš 29 dienų
"Shake vigorously, that's what she said!" ROFL
Buz Buz
Buz Buz Prieš 29 dienų
The fact that my Ape RSV4 granaded at 30,000 kms starts to make more sense now ;-) Thank god I didn't have Ducati money to throw around.
SolusWolf
SolusWolf Prieš 29 dienų
At least Suzuki only lets the small stuff in. Truly worth the 5k for my 2nd gen VStrom.
J. Francis Ward
J. Francis Ward Prieš 29 dienų
Kawasaki #5 woohoo
candlstudios
candlstudios Prieš 29 dienų
It would have been good to know which motor you took the oil from for the Harley. The pic looked like a sportster. I'd be curious to see how the M8 motor would have done in this test.
hitesh jadhav
hitesh jadhav Prieš 29 dienų
Royal Enfield is the proof of quality manufacturing in India
Srini Krish
Srini Krish Prieš mėn
That Japanese bike analogy got me burst out laughing on a silent train. I wish i cud share the joke with the ones staring at me.
Bombay Motorcycle Stories Official
Bombay Motorcycle Stories Official Prieš mėn
In India, during a school examination, students, as a last resort to score a few more points, will try to ensure the utmost neat hand writing in their exam papers. Its called "getting extra marks for neat handwriting". That is Royal Enfield on their best behavior for the new foreign market 😆🍻
Siddhartha Sankar Bhattacharya
Siddhartha Sankar Bhattacharya Prieš mėn
Considering the fact that RE and KTM are now owned and manufactured by India, it feels really a proud moment for india.
Sagar Sarker
Sagar Sarker Prieš 19 dienų
@Kaneki Ken higher end versions are made in Austria
Kaneki Ken
Kaneki Ken Prieš 19 dienų
@Sagar Sarker But what about higher end versions ?
Sagar Sarker
Sagar Sarker Prieš 19 dienų
@Kaneki Ken 125,200,250,390's are all manufactured in India and exported to Europe, US etc
Kaneki Ken
Kaneki Ken Prieš 29 dienų
KTM is not Full owned but half owned by Indian company Bajaj and yes they are manufactured in India for Asian and Australian market.
Minions
Minions Prieš mėn
Now I’m happy with my 650 twin😊
halnwheels
halnwheels Prieš mėn
This is a great video and very interesting. But there is a critical piece of information missing. That is whether we are comparing liquid cooled engines with air cooled engines. Why is this important, you may ask? Because air cooled engines operate over a much wider temperature range, whereas liquid cooled engines are thermostatically controlled, getting up to a precise engine temperature and staying within a much tighter temperature band than an air cooled engine. In order to accommodate the wider temperature range, the engine must be made with wider tolerances. Wider tolerances in manufacture will result in an engine that doesn't last as long. The fact that Harley Davidson is within the VDA 19 margin of error referenced in the video, speaks pretty well of their manufacturing process. Interestingly absent is Indian. So really, we should all be riding liquid cooled bikes if the overwhelming objective of motorcycling is to have the longest lasting engines.
pema gyaltsen
pema gyaltsen Prieš mėn
looking for proud to be an indian comments 🙄😝
pema gyaltsen
pema gyaltsen Prieš mėn
all hail fort nine
Mohammad Yaqoob
Mohammad Yaqoob Prieš mėn
Proud of being a Royal Enfield GT 650 owner 🇮🇳❤️
Davin Hunt
Davin Hunt Prieš mėn
I'm looking for triumph while wiping sweat off my brow.
hippyhay1
hippyhay1 Prieš mėn
..."and make sure to wipe up any spilled oil"... That's what she said.
Skyd Control
Skyd Control Prieš mėn
So this begs a question.....how does flushing the factory fluids out when you purchase the bike change the result? Would the second oil change harbor the same sad results for chinese and italian motors? Hmm, interesting thought. I loved the video! Wish I had the capabilities to test this as I picked up a chinese bike recently.
HUE_Elitelapen
HUE_Elitelapen Prieš mėn
As a 2 Stroke guy i can not relate
Md Rakib islam
Md Rakib islam Prieš mėn
Hi,mr.fortnine make a video about engine oil please🙏
Archmadion Gaming
Archmadion Gaming Prieš mėn
Proud to be indian. An indian brand says hold my beer to other famous brands😂😂
Kaneki Ken
Kaneki Ken Prieš 29 dienų
@da da Yes there are, even from Britain but saying that it is totally made by British would be wrong. There are Engineers from many different country.
da da
da da Prieš mėn
@Archmadion Gaming I know there lots of ppl from different countries working in re
Archmadion Gaming
Archmadion Gaming Prieš mėn
@da da for your kind information i want to tell you now RE is an indian brand.
Kaneki Ken
Kaneki Ken Prieš mėn
@da da No, Engineers are Indians too, these bikes are designed and made in Chennai Tamil Nadu, India. One of my friend's brother is also an Engineer in RE. There is only another manufacturing plant in UK and they make only non critical components, Engines are only made in India and exported to UK manufacturing plant.
da da
da da Prieš mėn
Engineers are British
Mafresita
Mafresita Prieš mėn
Where is Indian?
Davide B.
Davide B. Prieš mėn
Sure, Ducati and Aprilia. Two companies - both manufacturers of MotoGP/SBK-grade engines made to run at full throttle for 1,5 hrs flawlessly, yet they apparently need lessons in engineering - machining tolerances etc.
Vanessa Xoax
Vanessa Xoax Prieš mėn
tbh personally i wouldnt make a large deal out of that, unless those contaminations stay in there after the factory oils gets changed.
Sudhanshu Sharma
Sudhanshu Sharma Prieš mėn
"Scale of 1 to italian",that's got me laughing😂
Sahil Mohammed
Sahil Mohammed Prieš mėn
Brother watch this series on Netflix 👍🏼the Vikings
Epixdude342
Epixdude342 Prieš mėn
Fortnine Advanced Research & Testing - F.A.R.T. just like the F.A.R.C.E division huh?
sudhan Blogs
sudhan Blogs Prieš mėn
ROYAL ENFIELD made like beast
jimmy swan
jimmy swan Prieš mėn
Don't buy bikes from China or Italy. That's not new news tbh haha
Jim Sheldonswe
Jim Sheldonswe Prieš mėn
My Guzzi has been around 21 years and going strong. Those dirty Ducati guys.
Aarav Rahtole
Aarav Rahtole Prieš mėn
I ordered a RE Supernova 350. Lol I'm in the waiting time.
Emma Buchanan
Emma Buchanan Prieš mėn
Having just bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan, I am glad to see they’re sitting right there at the top.
Sandler Ernst
Sandler Ernst Prieš 7 dienų
I’ve had a Himalayan for three months now. I love re
Boxcar Bro
Boxcar Bro Prieš mėn
I like this channel. But i mean... 1 sample from 1 example of each brand, is hardly a confirmation of order...
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