3 Laws that Endanger Motorcycle Riders

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FortNine

Prieš 3 mėnesius

No surprise to anyone paying attention but it’s not all rainbows and sunshine when it comes to laws and motorcycles. Do some traffic laws actively increase your risk factor instead of minimizing it?
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FortNine
FortNine Prieš 3 mėnesius
To answer some common questions on the first one: Crashing due to failure to turn your ABS back ON requires a rider to: 1.) Disable it in the first place, which beginners rarely do. 2.) Forget one’s settings when rejoining the pavement, despite the obvious visual and tactile reminders that the surface has changed. 3.) Fail to notice the bright orange (ABS) light on the dash, which is another (more sensible) requirement of UNGTR 3 whenever ABS is disabled. And 4.) apply the brakes poorly enough to crash. All this requires a level of incompetence so high that it is actually less common. On the flip side, crashing due to failure to turn your ABS back OFF is easy. Off-roaders stop their bikes all the time - to consult a map, to chat with other riders, or simply because they stalled or tipped over. It’s common to quickly restart the bike and forget that ABS has automatically re-armed itself. There are no external reminders because the riding surface hasn’t changed, and the dash warning lights are now unlit (off-roaders rarely look at the dash anyway, since they are typically standing). On top of all this, no amount of braking skill can prevent a crash when ABS is working against you. My conclusion is that the law is poor, because it serves an unlikely level of incompetence at the cost of causing averagely-competent riders to crash. Most ADV folks will tell you that it has happened to them. Bear in mind that this does not affect the vast majority of motorcycles, which do not have switchable ABS in the first place. ~RF9
jcorns corndog
jcorns corndog Prieš 3 dienas
You have failed to realize the easiest solution to all of these problems. Stop being a motorcyclist and get a car, a van perhaps. The point being that these are all non issues that only exist because of cyclists and, if we remove the cyclists from the equation these problems disappear however, I’m not saying that motorbikes don’t have a place in society just that the only acceptable place for a bike is off the streets.
Covert Garage
Covert Garage Prieš 15 dienų
Right! So you're welcome to my video blog about cars.
IcantSignIn
IcantSignIn Prieš mėn
I do not want any of my vehicles telling me how to drive or trying to do it for me.
Specialopsdave
Specialopsdave Prieš mėn
To be fair, this law is to protect idiots and complacent commuters, not you
Tokimobile
Tokimobile Prieš mėn
@Graeme Wilde I've forgotten to turn my ABS off as many times as I've forgotten to turn it back on... that is, at least once per ride! The visual cue argument is pretty flimsy, maybe it's obvious on some bikes but on the 701 you won't notice with a quick glimpse at the speedo...
SpeakerMunkey
SpeakerMunkey Prieš 7 val
In the UK there are no laws regarding lane filtering, there's just one sentence in the highway code that goes like "when filtering a rider must be able to safely avoid hazards". i.e. if you crash and you're arguing that it's not your fault, you have to prove that the hazard was unavoidable regardless of your speed. Also "tea sippers" 😄
Cin Lee
Cin Lee Prieš 14 val
The laws should presume intelligence. That's some straight up philosophy major shit right there. Unfortunately I feel like people don't know jack squat with anything, much less operating a motor vehicle. I remember my driving test back in like 2012-2013 in New Mexico. It required me to start the car, exit the parking lot, turn right, right, right again at a stop sign, turn right again, and again, and back into the parking lot. That was my on road test. My motorcycle test was more difficult, but was still only a two day course. No evasive maneuvering. No emergency stopping. Etc. So most people here are: stupid, ignorant, angry, distracted, or some combination of those. Coupled with no real enforcement of the vehicles being inspected, and the roads being poorly maintained, and you get one of the highest road fatality and crash rates in the nation.
hairlesheep
hairlesheep Prieš 23 val
Tea sipper? lmao!!
Classic Wheels
Classic Wheels Prieš dieną
I think the car guys do it intentionally and not let the motorist filter through
Jason Hamelin
Jason Hamelin Prieš dieną
Had so much fun ridding on Thailand roads! Lane, what lane?
D Ninja
D Ninja Prieš 2 dienas
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wigscene
wigscene Prieš 2 dienas
Here in California surprisingly lane splitting or filtering is legal. Some guys do it at an unsafe speed.......but with all the traffic here I do it all the time.
GREYSTONE
GREYSTONE Prieš 2 dienas
For me, left turns are much easier than right because of sharp left turns on intersections and such. Around the city, all of the right turns will be sharp, while lefts are a lot wider and you can countersteer into the corner. Right are almost always "bicycle" turns. When speed is higher, I'm a bit more familiar with leaning the bike to the left than right and its pretty uneven. Parking lot practice is a good way to balance It out
Fonzie Bulldog
Fonzie Bulldog Prieš 2 dienas
Reminded me of my Hayabusa. Always in full powermode when i start.
Jeff F
Jeff F Prieš 3 dienas
I actually disagree with lane filtering and think your giving bad advice. How long have you actually been riding? You can't put your bike in a lane with another car right beside you. What are you supposed to do when you get to the front of traffic sitting a lane right next to another car? You think they're just going to let you cut in front of them in line? Two vehicles in a single lane is illegal unless it's two motorcycles abreast. I've also seen plenty of altercations due to motorcyclists pulling the lane splitting s*** at a stop. My advice is to don't do it or even think about it whether you're at a stoplight or not.
Sand Waves
Sand Waves Prieš 3 dienas
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Jason Harris
Jason Harris Prieš 3 dienas
Of course I wiped on a sweeping left hander like a noob.
William Maldera
William Maldera Prieš 3 dienas
Lane filtering is safe in the countries where drivers don't get their licenses with the same ease as inserting a coin in a bubble gum machine. Sadly in North America we're entitled and as such licenses are issued with more ease than getting that coveted prize in the box of Cracker Jacks.
Theron Stein
Theron Stein Prieš 5 dienų
I am a motorcyclist and so wish those of us in the states (except for California) could filter through traffic, so thank you for making this video to highlight the sheer stupidity of not allowing lane filtering.
Colt 45
Colt 45 Prieš 7 dienų
Surprisingly lane splitting is allowed in Cali. I don’t really feel comfortable doing it but I’m all for filtering.
Mike c
Mike c Prieš 8 dienų
The UN is full of idiots Plus most governments have no clue what is best for motorcycles
malcolm mathers
malcolm mathers Prieš 8 dienų
cant legislate against stupid fact.///
Holeshot Hunter
Holeshot Hunter Prieš 10 dienų
going up thee middle IS an option, and necessary on rare occasions
mrsockyman
mrsockyman Prieš 11 dienų
Over here in Ireland, we got rid of the yearly testing of motorbikes. It was here, but then people had the mentality of "well it passed the test so it's perfect" or "well I know it won't pass a test, but I'll wait intolerant the week before the test to fix it " both of those situations left riders not looking after their equipment the way they should, so they scrapped the yearly test (it's still there for cars etc.) But tried to teach the idea of check yourself before you wreck yourself
Nob ody
Nob ody Prieš 12 dienų
I've been rear ended at a red light in a car. It's not fun. That's my biggest fear while on a bike and make sure at least 2 cars stop behind me before I don't worry about it.
J Just J
J Just J Prieš 12 dienų
I'm not scared to pull up between/beside the first car or two & stop. Not "splitting OR filtering"...just getting the F@&$ outta the way. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I also keep an keen eye out to ensure the guy behind me is stopping when I don't.
Decided to Ride
Decided to Ride Prieš 13 dienų
Drivers in boxes can't think out of them... genius!
Kougerat
Kougerat Prieš 14 dienų
I'll have you know I always swig my tea, ha ha. Good food for thought video.
ManedWolfMonarch
ManedWolfMonarch Prieš 14 dienų
I’m sorry but it’s so cathartic to watch dumbass riders get absolutely laid out while lane splitting.
ManedWolfMonarch
ManedWolfMonarch Prieš 14 dienų
Laws are made for incompetent people.
streetsafari0
streetsafari0 Prieš 14 dienų
Nope, as a car driver coming from Europe where filtering is legal, to FL where it’s not, much prefer FL where I dont have to worry about some idiot pushing down the middle.
k9wiREless
k9wiREless Prieš 14 dienų
man, i had to push my bike throw the boarder crossing, and sure enough guess who got called aside.
Yacine ALG
Yacine ALG Prieš 14 dienų
It's actually it's a very poor personality if someone chooses to to block the bikers, i mean, if there are Alot of people that ride motorcycles when they are going to a destination alone or with 2 people, traffics would decrease and skilled drivers will be formed, it also help some others stuffs, like, let's not mention sport bikes cuz they are not serious motorcycles, let's say ADV and Tourers like the R1200GS, R1200RT, Honda Africa twin, Honda Goldwing...ect, they are economics and they pollute less In my country, motorcycle used to be dangerous, but after many serious crashes with dead people, medias announced crashes like that, and everyone spoke about that, motorcycle were classed as dangerous but then they tried to see what's dangerous about them, they realized a small car's fault is always fatal to a bike, they started to be more aware in the roads, some people even bought 150cc bikes just in case they need to get faster to their destination, in the same time, those bikers that uses a car are skilled, they park well and they are almost always focused, they also leave rooms to the bikers, even when there isn't a bike, they stay in their lane Laws in USA needs to be more intelligent
Maxim P
Maxim P Prieš 15 dienų
Love how he criticizes laws. Most of people for some reason think that laws are divine, that those who make them can't be complete idiots. They can...😄
votozato
votozato Prieš 15 dienų
In Brazil it's very common to see lane filtering, but there are many accidents related to speeding and lack of attention from car drivers
brys555
brys555 Prieš 16 dienų
Here in Poland filtering and lane splitting are treated by law in the same way as overtaking/passing.
Carl Stawicki
Carl Stawicki Prieš 16 dienų
I don't think I would feel safe while lane filtering among d-bag car drivers because it requires the drivers to be courteous and cooperative. It's similar to zipper merging and roundabouts in that regard. All three can be rationalized logically, but it's not realistic to expect that cooperation.
Captain Deathsquirrel
Captain Deathsquirrel Prieš 16 dienų
I want a trigger warning if you show motorcycle accidents.
DeepPastry
DeepPastry Prieš 16 dienų
I would argue that the rider was not conscientious at all. A conscientious rider would always remember to turn off the ABS when starting the bike when off road.
No Signal
No Signal Prieš 17 dienų
lane filtering is legal in Australia now thank god.
FUBAR FUBAR
FUBAR FUBAR Prieš 18 dienų
I am indian and i still suck at right turns, it should be opposite for me😂😂😂, As we drive vehicles at left side of the road
malcorub
malcorub Prieš 18 dienų
I always found it interesting that filtering and lane splitting are legal here in California (unlike other states) but riding without a helmet is illegal (unlike other states) .
Mike
Mike Prieš 18 dienų
Hey ... give me your motorcycle What’s the model?
N. P.
N. P. Prieš 19 dienų
What about countries with right side driving such as England, India and Australia? Do the left curves become more dangerous in these countries?
Ben Ha
Ben Ha Prieš 19 dienų
That parking at 2:00, I want to learn.
Jack Skudlarek
Jack Skudlarek Prieš 20 dienų
4:40 watch out for the retards texting and driving as well. dont matter how right your right of way was when youre dead.
Skeeter Saurus
Skeeter Saurus Prieš 21 dieną
Lane Splitting, Lane filtering...synonymous language for 'I'm going to see who I can drive to road rage, and open a door on me for sport'. Maybe, with luck, it will be a thug who produces a section of black pipe or baseball bat, and then proceeds to take it out on me, my bike, and even my passenger too. Yeah...Splitting, Filtering, it all sounds like felony provocation to me...and I've rode bikes longer than FortNine has been alive...some things, you JUST DON'T DO!
Patrick Davis
Patrick Davis Prieš 21 dieną
good stuff ...great humor....
steven robinson
steven robinson Prieš 21 dieną
Speed limits should also be increased... not just for motorbikes but for cars too. Google says the average maximum speed for a 600cc is 160mph, the speed limit in general is 60mph, we aren't utilising even half of the motorbikes capability... The same could be said for most cars.
ststst
ststst Prieš 21 dieną
"Lane-splitting is rightfully illegal" Looks nervously in Californian
SlaughterDog
SlaughterDog Prieš 22 dienas
“Our law should presume intelligence instead of incompetence” I have never heard anything more truthful in my life
23Khameo
23Khameo Prieš 24 dienas
Here in Utah we got legal line filtering about 2 years ago and it’s a literal life saver
Billy The Corpse
Billy The Corpse Prieš 25 dienų
Great info! Thanks!
Jonathan Vogel
Jonathan Vogel Prieš 25 dienų
ABS .. keeping morons alive , the gene pool is heading downward :-)
techo61
techo61 Prieš 25 dienų
I've been waiting so long for FN to correctly explain the benefits to lane filtering. Cager's don't get it (except those that also ride). Now can we have a tutorial about why our tyres wear more on the side facing the dividing line (hint, it's got nothing to do with road camber; hint 2, it was touched on in this video)?
Bill Dirlam
Bill Dirlam Prieš 27 dienų
Splitting lanes is legal in California and when riders do this in a sane manner (following the law as it's currently written) it's a fairly safe practice. Those riders shown in the video are clearly violating the California law and they're paying the price in spades. At a reasonable pace lane is splitting can be accomplished by relatively inexperienced and semi-skilled riders. The key to lane splitting is to do it at a speed just 10mph more than the traffic around the rider until he or she reaches about 30mph (tops). At that speed a rider can make adjustments as the situation changes.
SquidProQuo2112
SquidProQuo2112 Prieš 28 dienų
This has the same elements of argument as self canceling turn signals. If you are incompetent enough to not re-disable your ABS after restarting why should your bike not assume you don't need it to re-enable it when you forget to?
Jono
Jono Prieš mėn
i installed an abs cut-off switch to my rear wheel speed sensor on my harley, so that i can do proper power slides and drifting. shhhh
mvivanc
mvivanc Prieš mėn
Awesome awesome awesome awesome F9!
Adrianna Grieco
Adrianna Grieco Prieš mėn
I lived in Japan where I believe its legal to filter in sitting traffic. I would cringe when my boyfriend would do it but your explanation makes sense!
Stefan Margraf
Stefan Margraf Prieš mėn
There is another thing ongoing in Germany: Car drivers are now required to pass byciclists with 2m distance! They switch into the oncoming lane for that, looking to the byciclist to maintain 200cm and not 198cm and kill the Motorcycle rider they not aware of. Happend a few times already. Law is simply a deathtrap.
Thomas Myers
Thomas Myers Prieš mėn
I’ve got a 4 wheel drive with 48 inch Tires ...... guardrails and trees under 8 inches in diameter are No problem.... why must I stay on the pavement?
Susan.Palet9
Susan.Palet9 Prieš mėn
excellent topic and treatment !
Ronny Karlstetter
Ronny Karlstetter Prieš mėn
It may be my imagination, but my Suzuki S40 is noticeably more resistant to highway speed right turn (swerve) over left. Torque imbalance somewhere (left brake disc, no braking applied)? Or my left/ right hemisphere (?) is overly self-preservative? (No, haven't been tokin').
Bollina mohan satya balakrishna
Bollina mohan satya balakrishna Prieš mėn
Having bikes on road makes more chaiotic ,they always want to cross every car and cause a lot of honking in the cities
catarina jerez
catarina jerez Prieš mėn
i think you will find it's probably for the opposite in Europe and some Asian countries too (VN for example)
Leo Saltzman-Weniger
Leo Saltzman-Weniger Prieš mėn
If you can trust people to remember to enable their abs when they're back on pavement, does it not follow that you can also expect people to remember to disable their abs when they start up? If you can't remember to re-disable your abs are you not the same as the fool who for would forget the re-enable it?
Daniel Peixoto Martins
Daniel Peixoto Martins Prieš mėn
Your ideas are so wrong, but so wrong I wonder how much practice you have as a biker .... Not much, I would say.
The Backwoods Engineer
The Backwoods Engineer Prieš mėn
There is a solution to the increased danger of righthand turns; it’s called the “NASCAR solution”. Simple, just always turn left. Safety is actually the reason NASCAR drivers turn left.
Andrew Dobbin
Andrew Dobbin Prieš mėn
lane filtering is not explicitly illegal in ontario but it is discouraged as extremely dangerous.
MCLT
MCLT Prieš mėn
What the F is United Nations making rules and regulations on Vehicles and motorcycles for. United Nations and the W.H.O. is not our freind.
vipul kapoor
vipul kapoor Prieš mėn
Lets take a moment of silence for this guy who just showed up on my feed not know what lane filtering can do and how irritating it is. Ps i am indian
Aumann04
Aumann04 Prieš mėn
In most countries lane filtering is perfectly legal for motorcycles because in summer, they are in danger of getting unconcious due to overheating. That is espcially dangerous because Ambulances get stuck in traffic real damn quick. Why the hell is that illegal in the US were Highways have like 8 lanes and half of the country is in the tropical zone?
JonyQ
JonyQ Prieš mėn
Thanks for watching, the proceeds to do a full left hand turn instead of a quick right lmao!!!!!
Courtney Kachur
Courtney Kachur Prieš mėn
Lane filtering and lane splitting are both terribly unsafe.
catarina jerez
catarina jerez Prieš mėn
not at all, it's perfectly safe. in Europe everyone does it and not once have i nearly had an accident
Steve Thompson
Steve Thompson Prieš mėn
who ever Invented the micro USB must have Invented anti lock brakes and always move to the left side of the car ahead of Me Never know when car behind has No brakes or daydreaming.
Tetta Zwo
Tetta Zwo Prieš mėn
Three laws that endanger motorcycle riders: 1) Riders take unnecessary risks. 2) Riders take unnecessary risks. 3) Riders take unnecessary risks.
catarina jerez
catarina jerez Prieš mėn
as if car drivers never take unnessessary risks
JG Capers
JG Capers Prieš mėn
Lane filtering is legal on Pennsylvania avenue in DC. Washington DC is one of two places in the United States that allows for it.
Chris Bewick
Chris Bewick Prieš mėn
tea sippers - im offended ;)
Joe M
Joe M Prieš mėn
shit shit hahahahhs
NICK LORDS
NICK LORDS Prieš mėn
That happens when laws are written by people who have never tried the thing they are legislating.
Lovetoeat
Lovetoeat Prieš mėn
United Nations regulating how I brake on my bike??? LAME!!!
Mike Sokolow
Mike Sokolow Prieš mėn
I drive boxes, and an R1. Go figure.
Mike Sokolow
Mike Sokolow Prieš mėn
Rode my 71 rd 350 in the snow in the mountains, rear drum brakes at that, no problems. Lane splitters are pretty much idiots.
Alan Robertson
Alan Robertson Prieš mėn
I cannot get my thick jock head round the no filtering thing in Canada. We're planning to move there this year and can't help but think it's going to be a right pain in the ****. Is it enforced or do you just have to deal with dudes shouting at you from pick ups.
Joseph Melia
Joseph Melia Prieš mėn
Best Motorcycle dude on LTpost .Always a well of insight, Thanks for the education, man.
Louis Lapointe
Louis Lapointe Prieš mėn
The "out of the box" joke was incredible, pure poetry
Andrew Moritz
Andrew Moritz Prieš mėn
The spin at the end --> GENIUS.
Drco89ol
Drco89ol Prieš mėn
I just love this channel
Aurora Jones
Aurora Jones Prieš mėn
I lane split and filter in Phx Az. Its illegal but i dont give a shit. I already speed and run from the cops so whats another infraction added to my reasons to run. lol
Antisystemic Paradise
Antisystemic Paradise Prieš mėn
Abs is the most idiotic thing that has ever applied on bikes. It's more dangerous than useful. To me things are very simple, if you can't f@cking ride a freaking bike then please don't. Bikes are not toys and they are not for everyone
blake kuhlmann
blake kuhlmann Prieš mėn
"people who drive in a box cant think outside of one" gold.
ricercr44
ricercr44 Prieš mėn
I don’t understand this “mandatory ABS”. I speak American 🇺🇸
Mark Thompson
Mark Thompson Prieš mėn
Had me at Hello ...lol
FLEX316
FLEX316 Prieš mėn
We can filter in Australia when you have a full license.
Gambini
Gambini Prieš mėn
Finally someone sees the problem in ABS just as i do. And i dont have it on my old bike luckily, but i do have it on the car and van i drive, and it´s a double edged sword and couldnt find anyone else who understood this until i saw this video. This is a great channel BTW, I share the good taste for bikes and really enjoy the artistics of the videos wrapped with fine conceptual analysis! Just keep them up!
Guess Undheit
Guess Undheit Prieš mėn
The second idiot (2:49) ended up brain damaged, permanently in a hospital bed. Instead of whining to legalized unsafe riding, demand a filtering lane. I live in Taiwan where (if a cycling lane exists) motorcycles can use them to reach the stop box at the front. 4:20 - Neither can motorcyclists think outside the box. Instead of being in hurry when traffic slows to a crawl, pull over to the side where it's safe. And plan your route better so you avoid heavy traffic.
David Regnier
David Regnier Prieš mėn
To me I've always thought lane splitting was about the stupidous thing one could do on a bike, then to find out it is actually legal in some states?! How stupid can you be?
Patrick Turner
Patrick Turner Prieš mėn
I rode for forty years without ABS breaks so I don’t think I’ll be killed because I forgot to turn them back on.
themadscientest
themadscientest Prieš mėn
Operation of a motor vehicle should always be done with great care, no matter how many wheels.
Amanda-Jayne D. Cooke
Amanda-Jayne D. Cooke Prieš mėn
Great content fella x
Steve Bell
Steve Bell Prieš mėn
Filtering is legal in the UK. Always get some wankers that get arsey about it though. We have a queing culture here.
lyianx
lyianx Prieš mėn
Lane filtering REALLY needs to be legalized. And then, the idiots in cars told and trained to GET THE FUCK OVER IT
eric debord
eric debord Prieš mėn
I absolutely FN HATE HATE HATE loud bikes splitting the lanes and going past my open window with a loud motorcycle .
Gonzalo Reyes
Gonzalo Reyes Prieš mėn
In Chile, it's legal for motorbikes and bikes to drive between stopped cars when there's traffic, in a red light or in a stop sign so the biker or motorbiker gets to the stop line in front of the cars. But some cars drivers don't allow you to do that, specially to bikes. There's also the others drives that forces you to get away or between the cars so they can get in the spot by literally throwing the car to you. There's kinda like a war among the drives, the motorbikers, the bikers and the pedestrians.
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