3 Laws that Endanger Motorcycle Riders

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No surprise to anyone paying attention but it’s not all rainbows and sunshine when it comes to laws and motorcycles. Do some traffic laws actively increase your risk factor instead of minimizing it?
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FortNine
FortNine Prieš 5 mėnesių
To answer some common questions on the first one: Crashing due to failure to turn your ABS back ON requires a rider to: 1.) Disable it in the first place, which beginners rarely do. 2.) Forget one’s settings when rejoining the pavement, despite the obvious visual and tactile reminders that the surface has changed. 3.) Fail to notice the bright orange (ABS) light on the dash, which is another (more sensible) requirement of UNGTR 3 whenever ABS is disabled. And 4.) apply the brakes poorly enough to crash. All this requires a level of incompetence so high that it is actually less common. On the flip side, crashing due to failure to turn your ABS back OFF is easy. Off-roaders stop their bikes all the time - to consult a map, to chat with other riders, or simply because they stalled or tipped over. It’s common to quickly restart the bike and forget that ABS has automatically re-armed itself. There are no external reminders because the riding surface hasn’t changed, and the dash warning lights are now unlit (off-roaders rarely look at the dash anyway, since they are typically standing). On top of all this, no amount of braking skill can prevent a crash when ABS is working against you. My conclusion is that the law is poor, because it serves an unlikely level of incompetence at the cost of causing averagely-competent riders to crash. Most ADV folks will tell you that it has happened to them. Bear in mind that this does not affect the vast majority of motorcycles, which do not have switchable ABS in the first place. ~RF9
just adam
just adam Prieš mėn
Every complaint I have heard about this is because somebody forgot
FlameHazeist
FlameHazeist Prieš mėn
@Sean Ahearne I totally concur wih you. I've never felt like pushing my own braking in the wet as it's scary, even with ABS (it is quite an unsettling feeling to feel like you're falling to a stop). But now thinking about it even practice in the wet at 75% would save both of us from little to no braking or too much braking! It's definitely on my next to-do thing before my next ride in the rain. On your Bonneville have you tried sintered HH brake pads? That's what I have on my sport bikes and they've never felt wooden, cold or hot!
Sean Ahearne
Sean Ahearne Prieš mėn
@FlameHazeist I don't doubt it, but it's one thing doing it in a parking lot and another doing it on the road in the wet when you aren't expecting it or doing it as an exercise. Getting a face full of car body and a bit adrenaline shot definitely reduced my ability to brake effectively too. It was also on an old Bonneville with a single disc which is a bit wooden at the best of times 😅
FlameHazeist
FlameHazeist Prieš mėn
@Sean Ahearne You'd be surprised actually! I've been practicing the MotoJitsu belt drills and I can do 5.25 m from 25 mph on my VFR800 and a little more than that on my R1, both on sport touring tires and in a dusty parking lot. The MotoJitsu guy can do it in under 4.57 m on his R1200GS on clean pavement so you definitely could have saved a lot of $$$!
Sean Ahearne
Sean Ahearne Prieš mėn
@FlameHazeist Ordinarily I would agree, but in this case I had 30mph to scrub off over about 5 metres, which wasn't going to happen whatever I was riding; particularly since the driver in question did spot me as they pulled out and also panic braked, parking across the middle of the lane. I'm glad I came off the bike in this instance even though it occured due to my own poor braking technique.
Bill Blass
Bill Blass Prieš dieną
You are the man...I would subscribe but I'm already subscribed.
John Nmw
John Nmw Prieš 2 dienas
I love how he took a full turn at the end of the vid . Well written
hougie21
hougie21 Prieš 2 dienas
What happens when you lane filter and get motorcycles to the red light that is holding everyone and now there is three vehicles and two lanes. Who has the legal right of ways? The cars that are in the proper lanes or the bike that is on his own now in no designated lane for “his safety”
Vince Lamarche
Vince Lamarche Prieš 2 dienas
Filtering and Splitting is legal in California. I made a living as a Motorcycle Messenger for 10 years with out any major accidents. Its the only reason to even ride a bike here.
Jedi5150
Jedi5150 Prieš 2 dienas
Legislators have tried for 30+ years to find a study that proves that lane-splitting is too dangerous, in order to outlaw it in California. Not one study has show that it is more dangerous for a rider than not lane-splitting. I've been doing it for 2 decades, and it the only sensible law this state has. And I say that as a California law enforcement officer. The examples shown in this video are not legal lane-splitting, they are reckless driving/ excessive speed. I lane-split on a big GS with wide panniers, in the Bay Area and LA traffic frequently (as well as while commuting daily). It's no more dangerous than anything else done on a motorcycle, and when done properly, does NOT rely on other drivers for safety. If you are doing it properly you have plenty of time to react, which I have on many occasions.
Moto Sewgurl
Moto Sewgurl Prieš 2 dienas
My girlfriend and I were stuck in Yellowstone because there was an accident at the next intersection 10 miles up. The German and Israel tourists couldn’t understand our reluctance to filter through the stopped traffic. Even when I explained that a disgruntled American would surely open a car door into us.
Michael Lawrence
Michael Lawrence Prieš 3 dienas
Very Good! Thanks for your time!
James B. Armstrong
James B. Armstrong Prieš 3 dienas
ABS is for people that can't drive/ ride.
Adam Wachs
Adam Wachs Prieš 3 dienas
You think you have problems look at the uk license system. It is a perfect example of how to kill bikers
Anthony Rosa
Anthony Rosa Prieš 4 dienas
How have I survived? I have ridden bikes since 1983 and still have not owned a bike with ABS. I think parking should be further away from corners.
jalbert222
jalbert222 Prieš 4 dienas
Welcome to modern times. No law will ever again presume intelligence. This is not the world as it was up until 1970. Especially the last 20 years, when the internet has given even moron a voice.
Jeff Campsall
Jeff Campsall Prieš 4 dienas
In Canada, why is passing on the right illegal? Why is it illegal for motorcycles to drive on a paved shoulder?
Cory Derrickson
Cory Derrickson Prieš 5 dienų
These 3 subjects are all understandable. "Filtering" splitting, same thing. They're both dangerous and dumb. Either way you're not in a lane where a vehicle is expected to be, and risk someone changing lanes and either hitting you or you hitting them. ABS is turned back on automatically to idiot proof the bike, if you're "conscientious" enough to know to turn the ABS back on when it's needed, then you should also be "conscientious" enough to remember everytime you turn off the bike that it needs turned back off. It's the same way in cars and trucks. Turning right and not seeing traffic? That's just lazy and just the same as a 4 wheeler saying "I didn't see the bike." You should always be aware of your surroundings no matter the direction you're turning. The REAL reason right turns are more dangerous is bikers try to do the same thing everyone else does. It's the, "I can beat them" mentality. You see a gap in traffic and think, "nows my chance, I can jump in there and be on my way, then BAM! busted ass bike/car. These are simply common sense issues.
Rex Alfie Lee
Rex Alfie Lee Prieš 5 dienų
In Australia like the US has different rules for each state. In NSW we have filtering for under 30km. You spoke about people not thinking outside the box. You know that there's no box?
TOKOLOSE
TOKOLOSE Prieš 5 dienų
Yeah, I can see filtering like no problemo in US where all roads are 3 miles wide lol. I ride a bike and drive a car (work van) and believe you me there are some riders here in UK (especially London) who 100% deserve Darwin award for the moronic behaviour of filtering no matter what. I also find it hilarious when they get outraged by me 'blocking' their progress in tiny back streets that barely fit our company, Luton :D
Panji Gusti Akbar
Panji Gusti Akbar Prieš 5 dienų
As a southeast asian, i just learn that in some other country a sensible solution to traffic for motorcycle is being outlawed
Haley Russom
Haley Russom Prieš 5 dienų
The lane filtering studies remind me of helmet studies. Wearing a helmet causes more people to go to the E.R. it also causes the same amount of people to not go to the morgue.
OldCountryman
OldCountryman Prieš 5 dienų
There's always a reason that _you_ need to turn off the safety features. Motorcyclists tend to be dangerous idiots, not all of them just most of them, which is why we need all of these laws.
Reinhard Gross
Reinhard Gross Prieš 6 dienų
your saddle bags on the BMW are great, do you sell them in your store?
Divergent Droid
Divergent Droid Prieš 6 dienų
Well.. there is the CBS.
Kaylie Morwenna
Kaylie Morwenna Prieš 6 dienų
*sips tea* yea, I can vouch for the left curves over here for lefthand drive countries. I have over shot a couple times, but luckily no crash.
Steve Thomas
Steve Thomas Prieš 7 dienų
Your humour distracts me from the real message, but what the hell, I like humour.
Hurley Wilson
Hurley Wilson Prieš 7 dienų
Love it. "Like American politics, left & right are undesirable, but the middle is not an option". LOL
John Aronson
John Aronson Prieš 7 dienų
When I lived in California, filtering or Lane Split-ing as we called it...worked. The 405 @ 5pm no problem. PCH on Sundays got it...Sure occasionally car drivers on PCH in Malibu (tourists) would try to block my way during bumper to bumper stop and go traffic. They were successful for maybe 30 seconds, you can just go around or when they move that 6 feet forward. Just keep your overtake speeds down to allow for the usual unexpected issues. Also the history of this practice is allowed at the discretion of the police and highway patrol for safety reasons. The origin goes back to when all motorcycles were air-cooled and the freeway traffic in California has always been a huge traffic and air pollution problem. Filtering is good for traffic, the air, your motorcycle's health and your state of mind!
DLN1234
DLN1234 Prieš 7 dienų
pal you're dead wrong about filtering as it is easily changed to lane splitting because crotch rocket riders will always want to blast past cars to speed down the road. Do some more homework pal ! One more thing where did that water come from dripping down an air cooled engine ?
Shivendra Singh
Shivendra Singh Prieš 8 dienų
"Perhaps it's u surprising that people who drive boxes can't think outside of them."
Ballistic Rocket League
Ballistic Rocket League Prieš 8 dienų
Beat into I have ever seen 😂😂
ReyDaMillenniumRa
ReyDaMillenniumRa Prieš 8 dienų
great intro into a serious topic lol
The Iron Kodis
The Iron Kodis Prieš 8 dienų
Boondocks reference. 10/10
Olivia Lambert
Olivia Lambert Prieš 9 dienų
I was excited when I started seeing ABS coming to bikes, but now I'm seeing laws refusing to allow it be turned off I'm starting to feel pleased I don't have it.
Nate v
Nate v Prieš 9 dienų
You say laws should presume competence not incompetence for wheel locking but then say you should let bikers "lane filter" because you're scared the person behind you is incapable of stopping their vehicle.. "lane filtering" Is a stupid idea not just because its a slim line to draw between lane splitting and "lane filtering" and you telling a cop "no no no I wasn't lane splitting officer I was lane filtering" is hard to prove because its more of a perspective/at the officer's discretion kinda thing. Its also a dangerous thing people aren't expecting someone to be in their lane and beside them that close and when traffic starts up again they might not see the little bike in their blind spot. At the end of the day when you guys are constantly complaining about cars not treating you like another vehicle/car on the road by not giving you enough space maybe you should start acting like another vehicle because you are not special just because you're on a bike. You dont have the right to lane split your way home because you dont want to sit in traffic like the rest of the cars you can wait like the people on their way home from work. By the way I still really like your channel. you make really high quality videos. I just don't think you're right about this one topic.
Terrible Truth
Terrible Truth Prieš 9 dienų
A lot of drivers cut off other drivers or don't let them merge. It's an attitude of "I'm going first, no cutting. I don't care about safety". So a motorcycle being able to filter in front of them is literally the antichrist to these people. A Mini once drove onto the shoulder to pass me on the right just because I merged onto the highway in the gap in front of him. People are mental.
themusicifeel
themusicifeel Prieš 10 dienų
Great subject and presentation of that subject.
Johny40Se7en
Johny40Se7en Prieš 10 dienų
"People who drive boxes, can't think outside of 'em" 😅 That's bloody awesome 😂🤣
Jordan stalheim
Jordan stalheim Prieš 12 dienų
Do the pan America
JS Roark
JS Roark Prieš 13 dienų
Legislators will always write laws for idiots and newbies because they themselves are typically both.
Buggs
Buggs Prieš 13 dienų
I _always_ blame Ban Ki Moon, for everything.
xUnited Gamersx xUGx
xUnited Gamersx xUGx Prieš 13 dienų
I wished you was my motorcycle study buddy 🤣 your awesome man!
kodi tart
kodi tart Prieš 13 dienų
Xr1200!! I sure miss that bike
Mike Hoyer
Mike Hoyer Prieš 13 dienų
Right turns are more dangerous... I've never thought about that, and it makes complete sense.
Andy Biker
Andy Biker Prieš 14 dienų
When I took my bike test in the UK 30 years ago the training school said 'imagine that every driver wants to knock you off your bike'. Best advice I've ever had. Also the right side of the road is the left :-), so left handers more problematic than right, but we are lucky enough to allow lane filtering in the UK. Love your videos, keep them coming.
grahvis
grahvis Prieš 14 dienų
Filtering is legal in the UK and the law requires all parties to take reasonable care.
noel leonard
noel leonard Prieš 14 dienų
You mean bad habbits of riders, you don't have to do everything stupid thing that the law allows.
Will Dougherty
Will Dougherty Prieš 14 dienų
For the most part North American rider licensing and training is SHIT. Compare our "standards" to those of Japan and the UK and you'll wonder why we even license most of our ill prepared drivers/riders!
Alan Cargill
Alan Cargill Prieš 15 dienų
100% agree on all 3 points. Riding an Enduro bike has advantages on the road, but the off road tyres make ABS an even bigger issue. I find the front wheel ABS with knobblies lets go of the brake on dry tar much earlier than needed. Hence inreases the stopping distance. Solution. Disable the ABS. Which means I don't have it when I would actually like it, ie on the front brake in the wet or off road. Give me more flexibility and I will decide. On/off, front/back options please. Been riding between the traffic all my life on bikes, which is long. No issues. Agree that I feel far more vulnerable when in the traffic.
False Prophet
False Prophet Prieš 15 dienų
Pretty ironic he’s complaining about a system put in place to help forgetful riders, when his problem with it seems to be he can’t remember to turn it off when he cycles the power.
jacob jackson
jacob jackson Prieš 15 dienų
as a motorcycle rider in the great chaotic country of india, i can say you dont really need these laws to be safe. most riders have learnt to avoid accidents
Scott C
Scott C Prieš 16 dienų
bullshit the left isn't viable. The right is what we've got.
Shadowslayer347
Shadowslayer347 Prieš 16 dienų
California allows splitting and filtering
Aditya Sharma.A
Aditya Sharma.A Prieš 16 dienų
Abs being mandatory in bikes was introduced in my country sometime around 2018-2019 i got my yamaha saluto rx before that shit became mandatory the bikes are really crappy with abs on them cant stop to save your life kind of crappy 🤣
Jason Roark
Jason Roark Prieš 17 dienų
You know your government is too big, when it regulates how you are allowed to stop your vehicle.
Tim Riener
Tim Riener Prieš 17 dienų
I believe right hand turns are also more dangers considering that at an intersection, there's more likely to be gravel from people cutting the corner. There's usually not any gravel in the middle of an intersection
Independent Vote
Independent Vote Prieš 17 dienų
Filtering? LMFAO! Everyone thinks they are special.
Sadnehs
Sadnehs Prieš 17 dienų
Laws should assume intelligence but also statistically riders like to take right turns way too fast because they wont run out of pavwment when they drift into oncoming traffic lmao
el barto
el barto Prieš 18 dienų
keep your heads in your lane too please
Stephen Leadbeater
Stephen Leadbeater Prieš 19 dienų
Lane filtering is LEGAL in New South Wales in Australia.
krrrruptidsoless
krrrruptidsoless Prieš 19 dienų
Lawmakers know best because they ride motorcycles...🤦
Killer2600
Killer2600 Prieš 19 dienų
If your excuse for getting rear ended at a stop light is "lane filtering is illegal" then you didn't pay attention in motorcycle class when the instructor taught you to leave the bike in gear, pay attention to your rear view, and leave yourself an out.
Sandwich Half eaten
Sandwich Half eaten Prieš 19 dienų
I got slightly convulsively triggered that both of the toy motorcycles were high siding.
Etienne Louw
Etienne Louw Prieš 20 dienų
here in South Africa we ride on the correct side of the road which is the left side. In days of old people al;ways passed on the right side of on coming people, the reason being that most people are right handed and thus you could protect yourself better. Also the metric system is great, your BMW is a metric bike.
Jon D
Jon D Prieš 20 dienų
Why no lane splitting? Because jackasses can’t help themselves from blasting through at 80 mph
Stevey B
Stevey B Prieš 20 dienų
3 laws that endanger bikers: 1) any human that passes a 4 minute test can drive a 4000lb missle. 2) any cars that are manufactured can be driven by a human. 3) cars and motorcycles both have the right to use roads.
Worst Teammate
Worst Teammate Prieš 21 dieną
problem is people who don't ride make laws for us
A. Cheeseman
A. Cheeseman Prieš 21 dieną
Lane Filtering is legal in Utah, but most riders don’t bother as Every driver is on their phone.
zulu
zulu Prieš 21 dieną
“...lane filtering...” is a total myth!! You pick up some papers and say they’re “...studies...” concerning “...lane filtering...” where there are almost none, yet cite no source, yet rapidly willing to cite sources for failure to turn right stats....after 60 years of riding in the U.S. and Canada and Mexico “..lane filtering...” while convenient for the rider is still one of the most dangerous things a rider can do...seeing is believing brother...stay safe!!
ColeslawOnlineGaming
ColeslawOnlineGaming Prieš 22 dienas
Great news! my 4x4 doesnt have abs.
Ron Bosgra
Ron Bosgra Prieš 22 dienas
4:25 I'm putting this on a tile and hang it in my garage.
ROY WALLS
ROY WALLS Prieš 24 dienas
I do not have ABS brakes on my Piaggio mp3 250 IE!
Vtwin
Vtwin Prieš 25 dienų
*Sips tea while riding on the left side of the road and being legally allowed to (and encouraged) to filter through traffic*
A Hobby
A Hobby Prieš 25 dienų
Nice safe 270deg left hand turn at the end there ;)
ConnorBP
ConnorBP Prieš 25 dienų
The lane filtering one really pissed me off when i was stuck in a heatwave inhaling carbon monoxide for 2 hours. Honestly I should have just broken the law, but as a new rider I was more concerned with not loosing my new license or getting a ding on my insurance. Was really quite an unsafe situation that I was too scared to leave because of these stupid laws. This is in Toronto Canada btw
Dylan Rogers
Dylan Rogers Prieš 26 dienų
Best intro ever lmfao
Mistake Not
Mistake Not Prieš 26 dienų
"Our law should presume intelligence rather than incompetence". I hope you don't mind me borrowing that FortNine.
Chad Windham
Chad Windham Prieš 26 dienų
love the subtle 3/4 full rotation left turn to exit right at the end. Made me lol!
Skedge
Skedge Prieš 27 dienų
Tape it.
Jack
Jack Prieš 27 dienų
In New Zealand we’re also allowed in the bus lanes on normal streets. It’s great, safer, faster, we dont hold up busses. Win win win
Jonathan Pollard
Jonathan Pollard Prieš 27 dienų
Seems to me that whatever the bike’s default setting for ABS, the rider is responsible for ensuring the proper ABS setting for the desired type of riding. This is a non-issue. Couldn’t agree more with FortNine’s take on lane filtering and right-hand curves.
kingelvis19
kingelvis19 Prieš 27 dienų
4:31 that's not a valid statement at all, everybody complains about traffic not just one side
NEWS 603
NEWS 603 Prieš 27 dienų
So with lane filtering, you'll wind up with a complete cluster**** at the light when everybody wants to take off at the same time. Just stay in your lane.
Ninja Bruh
Ninja Bruh Prieš 27 dienų
I'm left handed and never had any problems doing turning right. I must have adapted to this right handed world better than thr righties
Unlucky Eddy
Unlucky Eddy Prieš 27 dienų
Thank you.
alpha13dylan
alpha13dylan Prieš 27 dienų
The ABS isn't the problem... its the UN making laws for people when they have no business or authority for that matter doing anything for us. Also, if you have to have ABS to ride then you aren't a very good rider. All my life I've driven cars and motorcycles with out all this unnecessary extra bullshit on them. If you can't ride or drive then take a bus. Plain and simple. Stop trying to justify these laws as good because they aren't.
Nimbly
Nimbly Prieš 28 dienų
"The law should presume intelligence rather then incompetence"? Yeah America gun owner here...
D B
D B Prieš 28 dienų
Lane filtering creates a dangerous situation when a bunch of motorcycles are packed in between cars when the light turns green. You have n - 1 extra vehicles occupying the space designed for n lanes of traffic. They have to go somewhere, and drivers are obliged to either yield to them or engage in an F1 like sprint to the next light. It’s also very disingenuous for riders to suddenly be claiming concern for getting hit by cars when the entire act of motorcycle riding carries this risk. The argument for lane splitting is basically “me first”.
Dolan Ree
Dolan Ree Prieš 28 dienų
Spoke to some friends the majority of us prefer turning left compared to right and we already drive on the left side In the UK. I think its mostly due to the fact that while turning right and being close to the centre of the road a lot of oncoming vehicles misjudge and are also very close to centre resulting in near misses between riders helmets and the front end of a truck
Pippa Carron
Pippa Carron Prieš 29 dienų
In Australia, lane filtering is legal for fully-licensed riders, but is banned for L-plate & P-plate riders. I think this is an excellent compromise as it allows experienced riders to move to the front of the queue.
3
3 Prieš 29 dienų
I lane filter anyways. Although sometimes I get an assblasted cager trying to be the law and blocks me
John Fowler
John Fowler Prieš 29 dienų
"if we let motorcycle go thru,' thats the key...motorist sitting in traffic seldom has this frame of mind
I don't read comments/replies
I don't read comments/replies Prieš 29 dienų
"left and right are both undesirable" BRUH YOU ACTUALLY THINK DEMS ARE LEFTISTS??😂😂😂
Bitplanebrother
Bitplanebrother Prieš 29 dienų
germany hits the cake again...pretty new we got roads (highways?) where outside of the ctity limits is allowed to go 100 Km/H..but just bikers only are limited to 60km/h...pretty funny..especally that TRUCKS are allowed to go 80km/h there...
pointer2null
pointer2null Prieš mėn
Whatever country you're in, the road laws are set for the lowest common denominator of skill.
Ananthu Stalin
Ananthu Stalin Prieš mėn
4:36 a demon
Olivier Dylag Krolikowski
Olivier Dylag Krolikowski Prieš mėn
Any lawyers in here that would want to start some sort of petition so we can legalize lane filtering in canada?
N L
N L Prieš mėn
God damn those lane splitting accidents. Insane to me they assume no one would ever merge lane in traffic. Definitely think filtering should be a thing but yeah that splitting is dumb AF
John Mitchell
John Mitchell Prieš mėn
I was gonna make that exact comment it's true car drivers can get very aggressive when stuck in traffic
StickyBucket
StickyBucket Prieš mėn
Ryan for Prime Minister!!!
Ganesh Karhale
Ganesh Karhale Prieš mėn
turning right on motorcycle is hard for me not because of the curve radius but because i feel uncomfortable turning right i feel i will fall
Eric Gray
Eric Gray Prieš mėn
I agree with everything except the filtering thing... People don't know how to filter properly and it is relying on the assumption that traffic WILL NOT start moving BEFORE the biker reaches the front of the traffic. 4 different bikers have smacked into my rear view mirror as I was parked at a light and they tried to filter by... None of them so much as waved to apoligize. The other issue is when traffic does start moving, the cars up front have almost no idea that a biker is rolling up extremely close on their side because they are paying attention the light and traffic, and thus if they sway from their lane even a little bit... SMACK goes the motorcycle that was probably then just speeding up for the same light the car was. I can go on but ultimately that is the only thing that seems more like something cyclists just want to do, no something that is ACTUALLY safer to do. So quit being selfish and wait your fuckin turns like everyone else has too.
Eric Gray
Eric Gray Prieš mėn
Combine this with the fact that a motorcycle can and OFTEN DOES stop faster then most cars, and combine all of THAT with the Chads of the world in the car that the biker just filtered past... and think of this... That Chad is probably gonna be a bit ticked that the biker just gets to cruise through the light HE WAS first at... so the Chad will drive faster to tailgate the biker cause he is angry about the biker being in front of him... then the biker goes to brake for the next light and the Chad driving angrily, and way too fast behind the biker that just pissed him off... will hit the biker. It is just creating potential road rage, and a multitude of situations most car drivers aren't thinking of.
John S
John S Prieš mėn
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