Variable Valves are Bad for the BMW R1250GS - Review

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MP S
MP S Prieš 2 dienas
I just picked up a 2005 R1200GS, I have been wanting one for a wile, but out of my price range. Picked this up for under $5k. Needs tires and brakes, but I will do that myself. Love these bikes, I rented one in Spain, awesome trip, I highly recommend that if you get the chance.
Tony Dare
Tony Dare Prieš 2 dienas
Interesting review. I recently bought a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro and yesterday did a test in Paris on a GS1250 for fun. The strange thing is that it felt a bit like a tractor to me after the Triumph, with a lumpy gearbox, and less effective suspension, BUT, when the time came to give it back, I started to ask myself serious questions about which machine I prefer. The GS has superb handling at all speeds and is very relaxing, while the Triumph is perhaps more exciting. Never been a fan of the GS but I sort of fell in love. If BMW made me a great offer, I might even trade despite the 12k euro difference😂
Mark H Pluygers
Mark H Pluygers Prieš 2 dienas
Ryan, you are right. I’ve got the GS1200 2017 job. I reckon it’s got as good as it needs to be. It’s almost NEVER that I run the engine much past 6000 why bother, it’s OK. That wonderful Analogue Rev count is pointing upwards, it’s time to change or if in 6th, you really are asking for trouble!….. That really is enough speed too. The 1200LC is a nice balance and drivers of the 1250 complain “it feels a bit japanese suddenly” ? I hate the ipad dash too… It took me a few years to really appreciate the WBX (LC), but I’ve grown fond of them & the GS (imo) hit it’s peak 2017.5. Time never stands still!…., but it’s good enough for me. Nice presentation, I will follow my BMW stuff from you. Mark. Amsterdam.
Amourigia Travels
Amourigia Travels Prieš 3 dienas
If only I live in Canada. If I happen to the bike you wanna review, I will hand-deliver to your place 👍🏻
Moto Drang
Moto Drang Prieš 3 dienas
At this time 569 BMW owners have seen the video.
Gregory LaGrange
Gregory LaGrange Prieš 3 dienas
That oil filler cap is enough to stay away from the whole BMW line. Things like that are so annoying, they let you know about a company's whole philosophy. Or at least one major thing that their philosophy lacks. And that is the bikes we are going to make, we are going to make them as if we have to buy them ourselves. I don't own a Honda, but that is something I've always admired about Honda. They make bikes like they would purchase them. And live with them. Thank you Honorable Soichiro Honda for all you have done. And a shout out to Honorable Genichi Kawakami, because I do have one of his.
Europe on two Wheels
Europe on two Wheels Prieš 6 dienų
Hmmm in the UK the oil cap removal tool is under the seat, it actually doubles as the screwdriver handle
Marco DB
Marco DB Prieš 6 dienų
COPLIMENTI! Ottima spiegazione.
magnus pym
magnus pym Prieš 7 dienų
integrating Heisenberg classic fortnine! Good Show!
Asher Broadbent
Asher Broadbent Prieš 8 dienų
STFU man, you just from the wrong country. Come over to the UK mate and try dissing the wonders of VTEC. I'm joking btw
bradley morgan
bradley morgan Prieš 9 dienų
This bike makes more horsepower than my first car.
Chev Rogers
Chev Rogers Prieš 11 dienų
Wait a second. Does this bike have something similar to VTEC ....?!
Valen Sinclair
Valen Sinclair Prieš 11 dienų
Random youtuber smarter than an army of BMW engineers. lul
trehanero
trehanero Prieš 12 dienų
Νο thanks
Boudewijn Rombouts
Boudewijn Rombouts Prieš 15 dienų
The Heisenberg joke earned my subscription.
Covert Garage
Covert Garage Prieš 15 dienų
Right! So you're welcome to my video blog about cars.
Pat Rick
Pat Rick Prieš 20 dienų
Ohh I put all my money into a 1250GS, hopefully I will have some little fun with the bike 😉. BTW thanks for doing the things you do!
3rdaxis
3rdaxis Prieš 22 dienas
Too big and too heavy.
Ped Bap
Ped Bap Prieš 24 dienas
you can find the oil filler cap tool in every GS tool kit. Not a very good tool kit but it is enough to fill oil out in mongolia, that I can assure. Take a look under passenger´s seat and look closely to the screwdriver handle and you have the answer.
hailwood900
hailwood900 Prieš 26 dienų
Late to the party, as usual, (who has time to watch all these (admittedly great) videos?) but a couple things to add as an ex- valve train chief engineer, also with experience working with BMW: 1. We believed (last I was there) that the overall best solution for a passenger car is "both". That is, two step lift and duration like ShiftCam (skip the "f" at your own peril) AND variable phasing as is commonly used in lots of cars. We did not come to this conclusion lightly. The research project lasted years, I employed a couple of the best VT guys in the world (yes, not kidding) and they worked from first principles of combustion all the way to a fully calibrated vehicle. If you want to read about what real automotive grade research looks like, find the SAE article on "Two Step and Phasing with EIVC Timing, written by Mark Sellnau. 1a. Background: Fully variable systems, such as you long for, are not new. Powertrain organizations have recognized the theoretical benefit long ago. Delivering those benefits is another story. I believe phasing started on the '89 Alfa Romeo. Two step started shortly after. Building up to the ultimate system a step at a time is a result of living in the practical world of knowledge accumulation paired with managing engineering and tooling budgets, which are in competition with the guys on the other side of the building that simultaneously want all the money for their direct fuel injection project. Anyway, we compared the "value" (total benefits over lifetime total system cost) of a LIST of potential ways to deliver incremental torque, fuel economy, etc. When you show up at a Powertrain OEM with validated information like that, you have a good chance of getting their attention. At the high end of the scale (ignoring full electronic, solenoid operated systems w/ HCCI for the moment) you have variable lift, duration and phasing systems such as BMW Valvetronic and our own internal prototype system in comparison with an easier to implement Two Step and Phasing EICV system. The killer question is "How much of the fully variable benefit can you capture with the TwoStep system?" And the answer is, "the vast majority of it". A number like 80% would not be far off. This is a blindingly complex subject, so simplifying it to one number is like admitting you don't appreciate the subtlety. Still, it gives perspective. So, to summarize: Fully variable on the cam timing, that is, a continuously variable cam phaser on the intake and exhaust. This is quite easy with hydraulic phasers and spool valve solenoids. (Suzuki's centrifugal system is going to compromise the phasing benefit quite a lot in my opinion.) Two step on the cam lobes, giving two distinct valve lifts, and two lift duration numbers. For fuel economy, EIVC is important. "Early Intake Valve Closing", which becomes possible when you have the rest of the hardware. We studied two step, three step, eight step, continuously variable, etc. Two Step & Phasing, with the right controls is the clear winner for overall value. 2. BMW did not put ShiftCam on the 1250 out of ignorance of fully variable systems. My kid's 2008 X3 has the N52 with Valvetronic control. It leaves the throttle blade wide open all the time and controls load by the valvetrain. It has 150k miles on it and the Valvetronic system is the one thing that works reliably. Trust me, BMW Motorrad has full access to BMW Powertrain and could have done a single cylinder (per side) Valvetronic if they believed it was worth it. My opinion is that phasing-only would be a good solution for most bikes. Don't forget emission control ("Greta Control"?) as one of the many requirements the engineers must meet. 3. Ryan F9, this is another awesome review. Thank you. Like others, I snort-laughed at all the jokes. The H-U one was my favorite. Poor Greta... And I loved the way you portrayed the "it's not the bike, it's you" attitude. Having been in Munich more than a few times, I can only laugh and agree. It's no wonder the magazines have all gone broke. You're killin' it.
gingernutpreacher
gingernutpreacher Prieš 26 dienų
Dispraxic not dyslexic
Abhishek Shekhawat
Abhishek Shekhawat Prieš 26 dienų
Himalayan is under rated in adventure tourer category being a single cylinder 🥺
doncarlo5
doncarlo5 Prieš 26 dienų
well if you have bavarian ancestors , you might as well know that all BMW ( motorcycles ) are made in Berlin, not in Bavaria ... by the way, I don't like the GS either ...
Scott Lee
Scott Lee Prieš 27 dienų
You and Engineering Explained should start a motorcycle company 😂
Amin Elhirech
Amin Elhirech Prieš 28 dienų
basically v-tec
SAMFICOM
SAMFICOM Prieš 28 dienų
miny1250gs developed engine clanking noise in left cylinder after 11000km. bmw refused tp fix it under warranty saying that it is normal. b.s. after loosing a season sold it back to dealer for 13500 euro. lost a lot of money and fun time and faith in humanity. bmw sucks.
Charlie Lambert
Charlie Lambert Prieš 29 dienų
It would be awesome... If they could make it look like a damn motorcycle again, instead of a transformer... Ya know like R nineT GS the thing- oh or... Put some GS in the 9 nineT! An actual R9 Dual Lite ADV, void of all the electronic BS- That would be sweet.
sunalwaysshinesonTVs
sunalwaysshinesonTVs Prieš mėn
Ahh yes... the age 'ol GS debate. But let's be honest. All sides are wrong cause BMW responds to market forces. The GS is the BEST 'round da world adventure bike..... for those who want to kid them self they would ever take on such a feet. (Take it further, the GS is super comfortable and looks nice, both which cant be argued, and performs exceptionally well as a motorcycle -again a statement that cant be argued as it's based on a person's definition of "motorcycle"). While the GS may have arguably been for realz at one point for globe trotting, the GS has evolved into the best adventure bike for those who want to brave suburban drivers and head out to Starbucks. Hellz.... I live in N.Am and my adventuring took me & my GS to the Ace Cafe in England. Actually, I didnt go. While I did travel to countries of questionable stability, I considered London a little too dangerous to visit on a GS. The market for an objectively best world-touring bike is simply to small to design & produce.
amdaglas
amdaglas Prieš mėn
I would still trade one of my testicles to have this bike though
Alexander
Alexander Prieš mėn
Still rathet go for the F850 gs adventure
Umesh Thorbole
Umesh Thorbole Prieš mėn
Today, I saw bike review which includes Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Ok. Seems legit
RiShark Tíburon
RiShark Tíburon Prieš mėn
Sorry Greta. Lmao
A C Ross
A C Ross Prieš mėn
Loads of comments from those more interested in Top Trumps and shopping than riding.
Tom Edgar
Tom Edgar Prieš mėn
Love the music!
Tucsonan Dude
Tucsonan Dude Prieš mėn
Well put! Probably the worst part of the new R1250GS @ 8:00. Putting electronics inside the engine casing is bad news for many reasons.
Jim Schrumm
Jim Schrumm Prieš mėn
Oil filler wrench designed by the layer that filled my Hondas crankcase with cat litter.
ramish rambarran
ramish rambarran Prieš mėn
Just great !
exponent mantissa
exponent mantissa Prieš mėn
I was thinking of buying a r1250gsa. What a surprise I got when I contacted the dealer in Vancouver, High Road. They told me no test drives, you can only take the bike around the block. Wow, I have owned many vehicles and test driven even more including a 160K porsche. Never have I been told no test drive. They did say this was to keep kms low and that I could go rent one at cycle BC for which I would be reimbursed if I bought new.. Cycle BC has neither the year nor the model. The way I see it I can order from any dealership I want over the phone so why go to this dealer, they dont offer any value add. That said this exercise was a HUGE red flag that this dealer will be my only local service agent and I am not sure I want this. I am all ears if anyone has recommendations for other adventure bikes or other BC dealers.
luuk341
luuk341 Prieš mėn
Holy shit, someone recommended the V-Strom 1050XT over THE Bmw GS!? In a video about said GS!? That is heresy my friend! The GS Riders are going coming for you! Quickly! Jump on the back of my V4 engined Honda Crosstourer! See ya later Beemerbois!
Some Guy
Some Guy Prieš mėn
Not surprised at all. BMWs vehicles are all overrated maintenance nightmares. And they know it. The special oil filler cap tool is a perfect summary of BMW in general.
Konstantinos Pilios
Konstantinos Pilios Prieš mėn
Fantastic channel, fantastic review!!!! Can't say more, by far the best moto channel in LTpost!
Rides with Hoover
Rides with Hoover Prieš 2 mėnesius
I looked at buying one here in Australia, and like you said 30k plus is hard to justify for a motor bike so I settled for the Tracer 900 GT .
David Moore
David Moore Prieš 2 mėnesius
Sauerkraut?
Este ban
Este ban Prieš 2 mėnesius
Why don't they just open/close the Valves electrically with a small electrical engine?? They could adjust the times in endles variations.
TQ
TQ Prieš 2 mėnesius
Hopefully ze Germans are paying attention to this
Bob Williamson
Bob Williamson Prieš 2 mėnesius
Fortnine I don't like the GS either.
Gene Schneider
Gene Schneider Prieš 2 mėnesius
Use the screwdriver handle to open the oil cap. Also if you depress the brake lever again to release the hill start control
Gabe Dakowicz
Gabe Dakowicz Prieš 2 mėnesius
Could not agree more!! give me that 1150!! or R1200GSLC !! Thanks Ryan
Peter Rose
Peter Rose Prieš 2 mėnesius
Conclusion: BMW, just stuck with the air oil cooled or water cooled engine.
Gman76
Gman76 Prieš 2 mėnesius
BMW- why make things simple when they can be complicated.
sergiu h
sergiu h Prieš 2 mėnesius
so far nothing from what you mention about "bad variable valves " was confirmed on any BMW yet. and already there are many with high mileage :)
John`s Rabid Mutt
John`s Rabid Mutt Prieš 2 mėnesius
This is not a problem. 97% of GS owners never venture outside the highway
Somnath Chavan
Somnath Chavan Prieš 2 mėnesius
99% to be exac
Svendus Mcveteraner
Svendus Mcveteraner Prieš 2 mėnesius
Yes next step migt be Koenigseggs FreeValve - Engineering for motorcycles
Jake
Jake Prieš 2 mėnesius
Brave. very brave.
John Sumser
John Sumser Prieš 2 mėnesius
Great review.
Kevin Mcdonald
Kevin Mcdonald Prieš 2 mėnesius
ohhh the BMW fanboys will be putting a hit on you Ryan
Franks Bmw Motorcycle Touring & Adventures
Franks Bmw Motorcycle Touring & Adventures Prieš 2 mėnesius
hill start assist is easily disabled. I learned without it and wish I had the option but its not on my 2017 1200GSA. Great review on valves, yes they should be progressive as opposed to one or the other! I look forward to seeing new tech in this area.
TheRipper
TheRipper Prieš 2 mėnesius
i would have lit the bushy reward at the end on fire, that would have been perfect.
Christopher King
Christopher King Prieš 2 mėnesius
Haha what is your Bimmer? '88 535is here. I've had a tii and a bunch of other shit. Also had an R100 S christopher-king.blogspot.com/2019/02/kingcast-presents-fun-auf-der-autobahn.html
Ian Hai En
Ian Hai En Prieš 2 mėnesius
Well, you kinda made an affirmation for me not to buy that 1250. Kudos! And yeah, your programme should be a TV show! And maybe there should be another presenter to bounce off your ideas! Ahem ahem...
TODD G
TODD G Prieš 2 mėnesius
Great video! I will say when you said sorry Greta I lost it. God that was funny. Well done
Flatcap007
Flatcap007 Prieš 2 mėnesius
It's ticking on the heads but hush!
Steve C.
Steve C. Prieš 2 mėnesius
You've been a very naughty boy criticising the mighty BMW steed. Glad you did, backed up with engineering principles. Ive owned 7 BMW's (R1200rt LE the last one) and even I liked. Well done.
DigitalParadox
DigitalParadox Prieš 2 mėnesius
I can't get over how much he almost looks like a really young Charlie Sheen.
DeathScythe TEAM
DeathScythe TEAM Prieš 2 mėnesius
6:37 I thought I got rickroll'd :P
toobalicious
toobalicious Prieš 2 mėnesius
@0:36 flawless? Just google “R1250GS leaking front brake calipers”... well, at least owners of the recalled bikes will be getting shiny, new Brembos!
Curly
Curly Prieš 2 mėnesius
30 grand for a bike a rip off, whatever way you put it.
Jim Snider
Jim Snider Prieš 2 mėnesius
Two Google commercials in 11 minutes? Surely you could have stretched out the GS hate for another few minutes so we could see one last commercial!!!
Steven Brown
Steven Brown Prieš 2 mėnesius
BMW Arrogance. I have a 16 R1200rs. First and last ever BMW. Way overpriced and over complex engineering. Oh yea, not the most reliable bike I’ve owned.
B K
B K Prieš 2 mėnesius
Lols - you a bavarian?
Bike Wolf
Bike Wolf Prieš 3 mėnesius
showed this to my friend who is a bmw motorcycle mechanic. he didnt like it. thats why i like it even more lol. he made me ride a 1250 GS. its a damn good motorcycle and lovely to ride on the road. it was developed in the alps. thats where i would take it. for me its a touring bike for mountain roads. nothing more. i feel like the long suspension travel is only for bad roads btw after ive done a few mods to my DR650, its just as comfortable as the GS but its more capable to go anywhere and do anything and its more reliable and way easier to fix IF something goes wrong in the middle of mongolia.
Fr anz
Fr anz Prieš 3 mėnesius
Time to switch to Triumph! Coureageous video
Abderrahmane HABBAAINA
Abderrahmane HABBAAINA Prieš 3 mėnesius
You killed BMW 🤣
Pauleh
Pauleh Prieš 3 mėnesius
CVVT has been around for a long time now. Standard on almost every Honda car since 2001. Basically standard equipment on every car today. Even BMW has their own version with the double VANOS that came out in 1996, and their Valvetronic variable valve lift system, often used in conjunction with each other since 2001.
Edward De Jong
Edward De Jong Prieš 3 mėnesius
It's too bad that nobody has licensed the Multi-Air tech from Fiat, which is an electrically controlled super fast hydraulic valve system used in many Fiat vehicles. The intake vales are so fast they can open and shut them twice in one cycle. It is the most advanced valve system on the planet.
Max Sand
Max Sand Prieš 3 mėnesius
134 hp offroad not useful for you however for some us its very useful.
DA Poppa
DA Poppa Prieš 3 mėnesius
Do not forget the Honda VFR 1200X Cross Tour That VTEC roars, I wish you would review that V4 Behemoth. It is a right proper Flying Buzz saw...
The_Soviet_Penguin
The_Soviet_Penguin Prieš 3 mėnesius
So BMW invented vtec for bikes 30 years after honda
Paul Cooper
Paul Cooper Prieš 3 mėnesius
As well as being a brilliant engineering teacher, Ryan has great taste in music.
Isla Bonita
Isla Bonita Prieš 3 mėnesius
Always put your fights, either knowing your location or speed but not the bougth at the same time 😅
Peter peter
Peter peter Prieš 3 mėnesius
I love lamp
Filip De Groof
Filip De Groof Prieš 3 mėnesius
The wrench for the filler cap is situated underneath the saddle 😉 Hill start control pro can be actived manually by pulling hard on the break, if not it doesn't engage 😁 Would love to see you review the new Multi and Tracer 👍 Keep up the excellent work.
F.W. von Junzt
F.W. von Junzt Prieš 3 mėnesius
You don't buy a BMW to go around the world. You buy a BMW to say :"I could go anywhere, but I am too busy"
Ministrant
Ministrant Prieš 3 mėnesius
A lot of effort put into a confusing message.
John Wiffen
John Wiffen Prieš 3 mėnesius
Never the less, it’s still a better performing bike than the 1200cc version. It can be ridden off road in fairly arduous conditions. A lot of the technology is fail safe. Tech for tech’s sake, applies to everything. Every manufacturer is trying to leap frog their rivals.
Waldemar Górecki
Waldemar Górecki Prieš 3 mėnesius
Horst Vessel lied inspired Polka at the end. Nice touch:)
Dave Bell
Dave Bell Prieš 3 mėnesius
Bennett's bike gave a good comparison, and a Dyno Test ltpost.info/down/Z4_JqJuwtKa0rHU/vaizdo-ra-as.html would indicate that beside quantum mechanics BMW also programmed the computer to use string theory to calm out the shift cam, it is a nice review, more typical of standard reviews. Now if BMW could just stop by leaking front caliper thebrakereport.com/bmw-recalls-motorcycles-for-leaky-front-brake-calipers/#:~:text=WOODCLIFF%20LAKE%2C%20N.J.%20%E2%80%93%20BMW%20has,in%20the%20front%2Dbrake%20caliper. I would be happier that I didn't buy the motorcycle equivalent of a land rover defender. Ryan always great to watch.! His he the same Ryan that did Ryan's toy review when he was younger?
GhoSTHunT3R
GhoSTHunT3R Prieš 3 mėnesius
the only guy you can rely on a real review...
keni tinasan
keni tinasan Prieš 3 mėnesius
This is why i love this channel: they don't kiss the ass of the brand just for promotion.
Filip De Groof
Filip De Groof Prieš 3 mėnesius
Love your reviews but this didn't stop me from buying my first GS. Let's hope the 2023 gets even better. Gnarf gnarf gnarf
Uditodip Das
Uditodip Das Prieš 3 mėnesius
😂😂😂 uncertainty principle that was clever joke 😂😂😂 looks like a PHYSICIST designed the dash 😂
B Beneke
B Beneke Prieš 3 mėnesius
This Ryan guy is making fun of us. Everyone knows his surname isn’t Kluftinger, it is Fortnine.
Sarvesh Trehan
Sarvesh Trehan Prieš 3 mėnesius
At this point i am watching these videos for the pure physics.
Andres Durstenfeld
Andres Durstenfeld Prieš 3 mėnesius
Brilliant review. A master class for other aspiring reviewers, and those many poser-reviewers out there. Well done!
F. Bruno
F. Bruno Prieš 3 mėnesius
most people don't go around the world ,, if you want no trouble ,, you know you get e disposable tenere 700 like Jim sanders ,, but
F. Bruno
F. Bruno Prieš 3 mėnesius
and dual cams is the best system ..
F. Bruno
F. Bruno Prieš 3 mėnesius
i know you don't like gs 1200 , after having many many all kind of bikes , i thins boxer spatially the 1200 gs is the best and only bike you ever need if you can to pay BMW bills ... loves gs 1200 ,. i gave up with bike searching ,, gs rules !!
Larry van Putten
Larry van Putten Prieš 3 mėnesius
Bullshit story to please GS-boxer-haters. GS-boxer-lovers are the worldwide winners!
Marin Lučić
Marin Lučić Prieš 3 mėnesius
Ouch dude you are savage, you do have a point, but so savage :D
Michael Merdeath
Michael Merdeath Prieš 3 mėnesius
You can open the oil filler cap with the tool kit from BMW, with the rear of the screwdriver.
srg
srg Prieš 3 mėnesius
tiger 900 review is highly recommended buddy!!
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